Chagall's mom

Sorry you and T are dealing with this, fae! Our terrier bitch, who was spayed at 6 mos, began experiencing urinary incontinence while at rest at age 7. She was on Proin for the remainder of her life. She lived to be 16+. I had to up the dosage when she was 14, but her condition was always well-managed and for her there were no ill effects of its long-term use. I understand how unsettling this has to be for you and your pretty spoo girl. It stinks when bad things happen to good girls.

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Tonjad

My great dane developed spay incontinence at about the age of 7. She was spayed at about 10mons. She was on Proin for the last three yrs of her life and on the same dosage with no problems. So try not to beto upset I think it must be a common thing....

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faerie

thanks everyone.

faerie

so poof had leakage on the estrogen (DES) and i took her back to the vet and got the dosage increased. we gave her it daily for a week and then every other day for another week and then to go to once weekly ... well she had another episode of leakage.

so i took her to the vet again and we tried proin. which they prescribed 50 mg 2x a day.

this was last tuesday. friday night she woke me up needing to go out. i let her out and back in and out and back in. her tummy was gurgling.

i pilled her with the proin and fasted her from breakfast on saturday. that night she was obviously not feeling well so i didn't pill her and she didn't want to eat.

temperance had a pill yesterday at breakfast (and barely ate which is odd) but not one last night and half her supper. she wasn't hungry. she yacked last night some in the middle of the night. i got up and cleaned it up.

she's more active this morning ... and she did eat her breakfast. but i didn't pill her.

i've read about the side effects of restlessness and anorexia. temperance was not eating and lethargic and vomiting.

i'm not going to give her any proin for a week and see how she does with the appetite and vomiting. if it stops then i'll try 50 mg at night and see how she does. if she becomes lethargic and vomits and doesn't eat, i'll dc it. i'd rather her pee and be healthy and wear doggy diapers indoors at night than the latter.

the research i've done has been a crap shoot of which is safer the ppa or the des! so i'm in a quandary right now. my vet felt more comfortable giving a dog with no uterus or ovaries hormones over the ppa. but he prescribed this for me to try and said to play around to see if we can do less.

so i am at a loss.

Chagall's mom

oh faerie! I wish things were going better and easier for you and Temperance! I hope the dosage adjustment of Proin will ultimately prove successful. My fingers are crossed for T to feel better and for you to find a safe way to keep her dry. Poor babies, both of you!!

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faerie

i am so very distressed for her.

Debra J

I went through the same nightmare after my mini Sukey was spayed. It seemed like they kept changing the doses and could not find the right mixture. It has ended up to stop her from leaking she takes a hormone once a week and 35 mg of prion. I split it up half a 50mg tablet in the am and a quarter at night. I had a spoo that was on prion her whole life with no Ill effects. I do not like her on all these pills but she was starting to feel shame at the leaking and of course I never yelled at her. I always felt so bad for her. My vet said that female poodles are very prone to this. I spayed my spoo Kayla 2 months ago when she was one and I am keeping my fingers crossed. I hope this gets better for you and your girl soon.


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faerie

I gave her 25 mg tonight. I'll see if she will not be sick and will eat her breakfast in morning. And hopefully no leaking.

CT Girl

I hope Temperance had a good night, poor baby. I had no idea this is such a common issue.

faerie

she woke up fine and dandy. dry. no tummy upset.

i knew she was feeling well when she helped me out in the "meat drawer" where i keep their meat that i've thawed. it gets oogy and she thinks it's her job to stick her head in it as i pull out their food.

she ate all her breakfast, i gave her another 25 mg of proin and has been running around like the wild woman she is.

so i'm cautiously optimistic that this is the dose she needs and won't have any more problems. if the vomiting and lethargy returns, i'll try to go to once daily at 25 mg. poor poof.