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Old 02-11-2012, 02:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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My pup is sick and i think it was after i gave him heartgard last night at 7pm.

I was around until midnight before i went to sleep and all was well, in the morning i found a few patches of vomit on the ground and his stool which was solid became loose.

He usually is bubbly in the mornings and rushes to my door when i wake up, he's lethargic, vommitted and had loose stools, went off his food and drink.

After clearing up the mess, he vomitted two more times, i then sent him to the vet for checkup, although they said that heartgard seldom causes these side effects, i still think it's that which caused him to be sick.

He is still sleeping, the vet asked me to fast him until midnight before feeding him some bland steamed chicken, and try the heartgard again next month, but i'm afraid of trying it again.

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There are other options for heartworm prevention. I'm surprised your vet didn't offer you any.

Maybe look into Interceptor, even my MDR1 mutation dogs handle that well. I would be afraid to try the drop on HW meds since many are made with a drug related to the main ingredient as Heartgard.

Best wishes for a quick and full recovery - it's terrifying when our little ones are sick.
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They did but they want me to try a second time before offering a change, since they say for the small breed, it's really very low dose
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Go with your gut feelings. This is your dog, you know him better than they do.

Did he just get the hw pill, or was he vaccinated at the same time? Was anything different added to his diet or any other new thing or stressor?

I'd hate to think that hw preventative will make him sick, but after you rule out every thing else, you may have to consider an alternative.

I do hope his is feeling better already. Poor little tiny guy.

Do poodles have issues with the MDR1 mutation? Seems like I remember just collie/collie types and sighthounds were affected by it. Hmm, something new to research...
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ok, I found something interesting. Someone has put poodles on the list for mdr1 mutation. I don't know how accurate it is, but I would definately try a different preventative.

http://www.bulldogbreeds.com/forum/h...-mastiffs.html

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Thanks for the heads up, i've read about collies being sensitive to HG, the little fella is sleeping alot since we got back from the vet, one big diarrhea and sleeping all the way, drank abit of glucose, not much of anything else, since the vet said to let him rest his tummy for 12 hours, i'm gonna steam some chicken for him to eat then, and chop it finely for easier digestion.

And i read somewhere else that if the other brand is non toxic to MDR1 gene dogs why not use it for other breeds instead of risking the adverse effects.

http://pondigest.tripod.com/multidrug.html

this link is like from the Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine

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I know I will be standing alone on this one... but I don't treat my dogs for heartworms. I feel like the medicine causes more health problems than the chance of getting the worms. I may be wrong, but what I do know is that my dogs are healthy, they live a long full life and we have never had heart worms. I have 2 shih tuzs going on 16 and my last two Boxers lived to be 12 and 13 and it was their hips that caused me to put them down then. Carley had the prevention for the first 6 years of her life with her former owner, but I am not giving it to her. If she did get them at this stage in her life, they take years to cause any problems and I will take my chances. I hope your little guy will be okay and I would say trust your own feelings... you know what is best for the dog that you love, better than anyone else.
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I have always treated my dogs for heartworm and never had an issue. In my area of the country (Northeast) heartworm use to be rare but now with more rescue dogs being brought up from the South is happening more here now. The consequences of a dog catching heartworm are so dire that I feel the risk to benefit ratio is there. Carley's Mom what makes you think that the medicine causes more health problems? In the case of a puppy they often can get an upset tummy - it may or not be connected to the medicine. I would do as your vet suggested and see what happens next month. If your puppy again has issues then do not give it.
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I read an article years ago that made a conection to heart worm pervention and cancer. I just felt it was the right decision for me. My sister has had many dogs end up with cancer and she does treat. That is about the only differance in the care of our dogs... she too feeds good food, exercises ect. Like I stated, I may be wrong, but I went with my gut and so far I have been okay. I am not saying that it is the way to go, just the way I am going. I am a health nut and fear all meds for myself or my dogs. And like I said before, my dogs are healthy. I rarely have to go to the vet for more than check up. I am shocked at how much other people spend on vet bills. I have never had to do that with any dog. And my dogs live long lives !
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My husband!s dog died of hear worms in Baltimore Maryland.
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With him being so tiny and all the vomiting he did, I would be worried about dehydration. Esp. if you are fasting him, I would also be worried about hypoglycemia (low blood sugar). Small dogs are prone to it if they dont eat often, and it is life threatening. Did your vet give him any sub-q fluids (under his skin)? Small dogs especially can get dehydrated fast. Lift his lip and touch your thumb to his gums (right above his canine teeth). Do his gums feel moist? Does your thumb sort of stick to them like they are tacky? Dry? If they are dry and your thumb sticks to them (tacky) then he is dehydrated. I would bring him back into the vet for fluids right away if he is.


About the heartworms and medications. Yes, Heartgard is dangerous to collies and dogs that have the MDRD1 gene. That is a genetic "fluke" in those breeds. Heartgard is Fine for all other dogs. Collies (herding breeds mainly) have a genetic mutation that allows the ivermectin to cross the blood-brain barrier, and that is why it is toxic to them. No other breeds have that problem with heartgard. It is perfectly safe for dogs that done have that mutation (there was kind of an old saying, "Four white feet, dont treat", meaning collies, border collies, shelties, etc with the white socks).

I personally would never Not treat my dog for hearworms. There is such a small amount of medication in the pills anyways to cause a problem. I have never read, seen or heard of a study linking heartworm meds to cancer, and I have seen alot of studies. Heartworms are dangerous. The treatment its self is very expensive, might kill your dog, is a long recovery period, and your dog could have lasting health problems from the heartworms. It doesnt take years for the symptoms to present. The longer heartworms are in your dogs body, the more damage they do. Your dog may never be the same. They are not something to mess around with. I think if you are in a heartworm area, then it is irresponsible to not protect your dog. If any neighbor dogs within a few miles, coyotes, foxes, etc have the disease, then your dog is at risk. Chances are someone is your area has it. Im trying not to come across as abrassive, and sorry if I have. I just think the Very Slight risk of the medication is not worth not treating.
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