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kanatadoggroomer · 09-02-2011, 02:58 PM

OMG, I was just going to post about this product. Two of my standard poodles were in need of professional dental cleaning with anesthesia. I bought the spray bottle of this stuff off the internet and have used 4 sprays once a day for a month at bedtime and it is miraculous. ALL of the tartar is gone. Their teeth are pearly white. The minor gum redness is totally gone. One of my dogs has always had terrible breath and now that is gone too. I'm totally sold. My dogs are now on "maintenance" which is every 3 or 4 days. I have done nothing to their teeth except spray this stuff in their mouth on their back molars at bed time. I haven't brushed or scraped or anything. It's magic I tell you . ... . magic.

RileysMommy · 09-03-2011, 09:22 AM

I just ordered this too! After reading the reviews (i got the spray though and not the gel) I had to give it a try....afterall, if it doesnt work, I've surely wasted more than $28 on worse things!

I would like more info on these bones! I have always been afraid of feeding bones! Could someone advise on a good bone to start Riley with? THe name and where I can buy it? He has HORRIBLE teeth and breath and refuses to let me brush his teeth! He gets a cleaning at the Vet once a year and after a couple of months his teeth are covered in plaque again and the breath is horrid!

Thanks in advance!

kanatadoggroomer · 09-03-2011, 09:31 AM

Yes, I got the spray too. Much simpler to use than the gel.

Ruth · 02-04-2012, 05:32 PM

I don't know how much of this is true, but I just saw this on another dog forums and scared the h3ck out of me.

I've been using this gel on my Sirius occasionally and it has helped with his tartar build-up, but I don't think I want to use it anymore after reading this (it's supposed to be a feedback comment on amazon.com, I didn't see the source or the original link)

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Sure, Plaque Attack `works!' But a more serious question needing to be asked, "At what cost to pet safety and longevity?"

I am a clinician and formulary herbalist and clinical aromatherapist who founded a company that manufacturers among other products, a line of Equine and Pet herbal products. We also manufacture a Premium Line (for Adults) and Children's Line (the first commercially available line of true alcohol-free formulas for Children in the herbal/natural products industry starting in 1991). My company was the first company in the industry to introduce the Aromaceutical(tm) concept into liquid herbal products, e.g. adding a small ingredient amount of Essential Oils (EO's) blends into the finished liquid herbal products.

That said, an important point needs stressing here - Studies in Europe have clearly shown that EO's are toxic (and even poisonous) to small pets, but ESPECIALLY CATS! This is not hubris or something drawn out of thin air but a proven scientific fact!

12 years ago I developed and formulated a complete line of Pets products followed shortly thereafter with an Equine line of products. In both our Equine and Pets products NO EO's are used at anytime. Why? Because dogs and cats, and especially cats, cannot matabolize the heavy mole weight constituents of EO's, such as the terpines, esters and aldehyde compounds. These compounds build up in the liver of dogs and cats and over time WILL result in serious liver problems and damage, that can result in death.Even external use of diluted EO's solutions are damaging. Sadly, most Veterinarians don't recognize the symptoms for EO's toxicity/poisoning and can accidentally utilize a protocol that can exacerbate the condition. Why? Because nowhere in veterinarian medical texts are EO's listed as a therapeutical prophylactic, even as an adjunct. And give what the scientific community knows of EO's effects and toxicity, probably never will be.

Another interesting point is that according to company information, this Dr. George is a dentist who's schooling and degree are for HUMAN medicine. No where does it indicate he was schooled or experienced in veterinarian medicine. It appears he has never studied the `actual' physiology and biochemistry of small pets, or he (or the development team) would have understood that their physiology (especially liver/liver enzymes/metabolic pathways) are very very different from humans, especially as regards pets inability to metabilize Essential Oils (EO'S) ingredients, especially for cats!

He/she/them obviously has/had no knowledge or understanding of dog and cat physiology, biochemistry or animal medicine considerations. They have patented a product that has no reliable basis in clinical studies as to toxicity/poisoning issues as applies specifically to the Plaque Attack product.

As for the people who say they have used Plaque Attack for years on their pets "safely," well... that needs to be substantiated with a full liver panel of these pets to ascertain if indeed they have not been damaged with the EO's ingredients in this product, especially for cats. (EO's toxicity/poisoning is insidious and often only show symptom in late phase poisoning, when it's too late to reverse.) Those testimonials are a very shallow assessment and ignore the need for much deeper assessment of this premise done on a scientific basis, not cheap anecdotal stories that completely ignore the evidence otherwise and put innocent pets at risk. No matter how you cut it using Plaque Attack with its EO's ingredients is a form of cruelty to pets I cannot not broker.

I have studied EO's and their uses in general aromatherapy (topical use), clinical aromatherapy (internal use), herbalism, nutritional science, foods, beverages, confectionaries, etc., and have a highly weighted understanding of the physiological and biochemical effects on humans AND animals. Some have said I am the SME (e.g. the Subject Matter Expert) on this subject regarding EO's use as ingredients in natural health products, and for over 18 years I have collaborated with numerous veterinarians across the country who completely agree with my assessments when presented with the facts. In other words, I can safely say I know much more about this subject of using EO's as ingredients in products and their effects both short term and long term on pets (and humans) than the creator(s)/marketer(s)/purveyor(s) of Plaque Attack do.

Plaque Attack's EO's ingredients are contraindicated for pets in many respectable and credible texts on the subject both here in the U.S. and abroad, especially Europe.

It's just a matter of time before the makers/marketers of Plaque Attack will have to deal with lawsuits and regulatory issues for lack of bona-fide scientific support of their product as regards pet safety, especially cats.

Fact is, Plaque Attack comes off sounding like a team of experts put this product together, thus giving the appearance of respectability. Some questions however:

lunamarz_31 · 02-04-2012, 06:19 PM

Wow...thanks for including that review, Ruth. I have used a whole bottle of Petzlife on my dog, I have seen results and she seems to be ok with it, but apparently the potential danger is to be examined closer. It's not worth making them sick...there are other dental cleaning methods out there that are safer.

fjm · 02-04-2012, 11:51 PM

I think Petzlife gel and Plaque Attack are completely different products - I have not seen any similar adverse reviews of Petzlife.

schnauzerpoodle · 02-05-2012, 08:18 AM

Nickel let me use this in his mouth but he doesn't like the taste. I now add Plaque Off to his food. No more tartar. And of course, I brush his teeth every night. But before using Plaque Off, I could see some in the difficult spots.

Ms Stella · 02-05-2012, 11:04 AM

I use a red gel..I dont know the name of it. Ill look later. But it really does work well..dogs dont like it. But thats too bad! I also have been using a sonicare toothbrush on Stella and was using it on Player. They dont like that either but it makes such a difference. Stella had pretty bad teeth when I got her as an adult. She had 5 teeth removed. She is 9 and I dont want her to have to have anethesia again for a dental...so Im pretty diligent. She is much more tolerant of the sonicare now. I use the same one I use for my teeth :-) I put a different head on it of course! I put Stella between my legs and back up to a wall. She will try to back out but she will let me brush them. It doesnt take more than me to get it done. The back molars are the hardest to reach as the mouth has to be open to really get those. I use the gel on the toothbrush. I dont think it tastes good..but they tolerate it. Its like grooming, ear plucking...its a neccesity and we do it. Player ate only kibble before coming to me and his teeth were terrible..with the gel, brusing every other day and recreational bones his were pearly white after a month.

Marcie · 02-07-2012, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Siskojan

Sisko has the salmon flavour one but he doesn't like it much. I haven't been as consistent as I should be because of having to time it around eating and taking his water away so it is can be effective. The product hasn't failed - I have! I think when I really did try hard the first 2 weeks things were getting better with the teeth. Raw bones seem to do the job quicker though.

Siskojan, you are so right! I was concerned about using the mouth sprays so I went ahead and took Sasha to the Vet for a dental and was going to schedule Kirby the next month. Well between the time we took Sasha in for her dental and when it was time for Kirby(his teeth were really bad with tartar build up)I had gotten them raw beef neck bones that must have been cut in 1/4 for soup at the supermarket. They both chewed the heck out of the bones. As a treat I gave them each a raw bone on Saturday, so I could keep an eye them.

When it was time to take Kirby into get his teeth cleaned that next month, the doctor asked how we had gotten his teeth so clean and that he did not need a dental visit at all. We told him the only thing we had done was give him a couple of bones to chew on. He told us to keep it up.

HOORAY! A $1.29 package of soup bones had just saved me over $200.00 and putting Kirby through the trauma of sedation to get his teeth cleaned!

I only give them each a bone once a week and when the bone gets too small and I am afraid they will swallow it, I throw it out. I buy about 5lbs of bones and take out as many as I am going to use that week and freeze the rest in freezer bags (three bones in a freezer bag). All I have to do is pull out a bag, thaw it out and they have a fresh bone that I don't have to worry about spoiling in the refrigerator.