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Old 04-17-2017, 09:04 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I am also going to do some AKC too (all the pro handlers will be so happy to have another dog to beat haha) but the difficulty in getting AKC points makes me think that I will have to do it as a strictly for fun thing. But I get the feeling that I will have a lot of support from the breeder/mentor, so if that happens then who knows what could be possible

I think it really depends on your grooming and handling skills. Although it may not be realistic to think that you're going to finish a dog AKC owner-handled as a newbie, it may be reasonable to hope to put some points on. It really depends on your skills, the quality of the dog, and who else happens to be out at that time. I have two friends who put singles on a bitch and a dog respectively owner-handled, in very competitive areas (MD and NC).
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Old 04-17-2017, 09:42 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Thanks Verve! I think I will go into it with that goal in mind, hoping that I may put at least one point on in AKC. That is so awesome about your friend! I wish that there were more shows near me - then I would have more opportunities for practice. As it is, there will be about 5-6 clusters a year that are easy for me to access. However, our local AKC club is working on eventually being able to host our own shows, which would be absolutely amazing. Our second B match will be this fall, so probably a year or two out, but I am so excited for that!

As for grooming, I used to groom professionally but obviously wasn't putting poodles in show trim (though I did have a fellow groomer who kept hers in full puppy trim so I did get some practice there.) So if my mentor can help me to set lines I think I should be able to maintain them decently - at least I hope!
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Oh and here is a silly question that I should already know the answer to but somehow can't remember. On the AKC point schedule, for example if it says you need 2 dogs to get one point, does that mean you must beat two dogs (like if there are 3 total dogs in the winners ring) Or does your dog count as one of the two (so there is only your dog and one more in the winners ring?)

I know it's more complex than that, as I believe all of the dogs beaten in all of the previous classes go towards that total number but I am just wondering if the winning dog is included in the number or if it is not included? Hope that makes sense and sorry for such a newb question!
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As someone who is completely new to the adventures of conformation, I just wanted to say thank you for sharing this knowledge! There's quite a bit to learn when you're a newbie.
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Oh and here is a silly question that I should already know the answer to but somehow can't remember. On the AKC point schedule, for example if it says you need 2 dogs to get one point, does that mean you must beat two dogs (like if there are 3 total dogs in the winners ring) Or does your dog count as one of the two (so there is only your dog and one more in the winners ring?)

I know it's more complex than that, as I believe all of the dogs beaten in all of the previous classes go towards that total number but I am just wondering if the winning dog is included in the number or if it is not included? Hope that makes sense and sorry for such a newb question!

There aren't really any silly questions about the AKC point schedule--it's very complicated! The numbers in the chart are the entry in dogs and bitches. So if it's two, there needs to be an entry of two dogs or two bitches for you to get one point. And both dogs need to show up, of course.

Do you already understand about points crossing, and how the Best of Winners gets however many points were on the table--the larger of WB and WD?
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Thank you so much for sharing Verve, I love learning about how this stuff works. Here is how I understand it (the basics) please correct me if I am wrong.

So if you have an entry of 8 dogs (between all of the classes combined - puppy, open, etc) and the open dog takes WD then for us in our region, that would be a 5 or major because for 5 points in dogs you need an entry of 7 or more.

Then if the entry in bitches was smaller, say only 2, one in puppy and one in open, and the open goes WB, then she would get one point in our region (because 2 entries takes 1 point.)

Then WD and WB go in with the specials for BOV. If the WB miraculously takes BOV over the Specials and WD, does that mean that she would get the 5 point major? Do the specials entries count as entries towards points at all or no? And if that were to happen, would the WD still keep his 5 point major as well?

If you made it through all that and it made a shred of sense, let me know, and let me know what I am getting wrong (probably a lot!)
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I want to clarify what you were saying there: are you saying a UKC grand is equal/harder than an AKC grand, or that a UKC grand is equal/harder than an AKC CH? I don't agree with either statement.
Since you don't agree with either possible meaning perhaps you could tell me why?
I do know that in my area it is very hard to get the wins required for the GC title. When they fill our local champion classes for solids often have AKC Grands as well as AKC Ch working on their Grands so quality is high. The multi-color quality is not far below the solids.
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