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Old 01-02-2013, 04:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I am thinking of trying to get into showing. The breeder said she thought the puppy could be a good puppy to show. I have never shown before but have always wanted to. If all else fails I can have fun with my dog. I know it is hard to tell from pictures but I was wondering if I could get some honest opinions. I have done a 5 generation research pedigree and there are over 28 champions in the 5 generations but it is this pups great grandparents and farther back (the line is apricot gold and cadbury )so that may mean nothing since it is far back. The breeder did not show but does do have certified therapy dogs and canine good citizen dogs, the dad had OFA clearance and DNA done but not the mother. To be honest I did not know anything about poodles until 1 week ago and learning all after the fact. So my point is, can a puppy be show quality when the breeder itself did not show. I am signed up for conformation classes in late feb. My breeder has a few pups from the previous litter who are currently showing. Here is the link to my photo stream. I don't have any stacking pictures yet. I will try to get some. I also heard that it is harder for a color other than black and white to place?

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First things first, are you planning on showing akc or ukc? Yes its hard to tell from these pix, how old is she? Its hard to tell but it looks like she has been trimmed way too high over her eyes. If you take stacking pix I would do it of a freshly bathed pup and coat dried straight. She's cute and having confidence is really important in the show ring. It is a lot of fun and I find the grooming relaxing.. when I have time lol. Hard to tell how high up you went on the tail.. To answer your question yes its possible have a show quality pup from a breeder that doesn't show. Yes its harder to win if you have anything other than black or white but brown is third in that ranking. I should mention that a very nice dog regardless of color will have its fair share of winning. You have a big advantage over the pros too. Your dog has your undivided attention and training.
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Thank you, I will give her a bath and blow dry her and take some more pics, I clipped her (before I knew what and where to clip on the first day she was home) I wanted to see her eyes. I let that grow out.
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I love her tail! Also she's a gorgeous pup overall. The thing is, anything can happen as she grows conformationally speaking, but my philosophy is, why not show? If you do want to show, go to conformation classes, put her on a really good quality diet and grow that coat! Basically you don't want to cut it at all, and learn to wrap or band in time as it grows long enough to get in her eyes and food bowl, and just to protect those ear fringes. Also, I love that you're going to handle her yourself but still, avail yourself of the experts. If you can find a professional poodle handler, get their advice; get a poodle specialist to groom her before the show (unless you're going in UKC). If something happens like her bite doesn't grow in correctly or she faults in some other way, oh well! You still have a gorgeous, loving companion. But if you can show, give it a shot! It's really fun. And remember to have a thick skin
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You mentioned that you purchased your puppy from a breeder that does not show, implying that your pup may not be show quality. There are some very fine breeders who do not show. That does not mean that they cannot produce show quality puppies. Some very fine breeders just don't have it in their makeup to show.

Each puppy should be considered individually. You best bet is to find a handler or judge and ask them to evaluate your pup. Remember, with grooming, unless you have an awful pup, you can disguise a lot of problems. In fact I have personally seen ewe necks poodles finish their AKC titles simply because the hair on the neck was sprayed up and disguised the fault.

The question is not do I have a show quality puppy .... there are plenty of them .... but do I have a winning quality puppy. When you start showing, go into the ring with the intent that you and your pup will have fun. If you point or win, it is just gravy in your relationship with your pup.
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Sorry about that, Dumped again!

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Cadbury is done and gone, a treasure in Browns. They had refined sculptured heads to die for, as well as the diversity we all need for our breed. Send a PM as to pedigree. Work with pup. It will make for a better relationship!

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This has all been very helpful. Here is a link to the puppies dads pedigree, the moms is not in their database

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It is my highly uneducated opinion that a poodle is one of the harder breeds to show casually in AKC due to the grooming requirements. With many of the wash a were breeds the decision to show in confirmation is less of a big deal, and you can tinker with it and do a couple of local shows to see if you like it without a huge commitment. Right out of high school I worked with a standard poodle breeder caring for her pets. She usually had one bitch that would breed every couple of years. When she got a really nice puppy that she wanted to show she would only have faces/feet done for grooming and then send the puppy away to a professional groomer/handler until they finished their championship, and then they would come back with a more reasonable trim. Luckily most of hers finished as puppies in a puppy clip, but it is still a lot of hair.

I bet it would be helpful to show some good adult shots of your puppies parents to some of the more experienced poodle folks and get opinions on their conformation. That will at lease give you an idea of the pup can be competitive with the right grooming and handling.

There is also a whole world of “showing” outside AKC confirmation (which is what I typically jump to if someone says they want to “show”).
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I'll tell it to you like this. My mentor started showing years ago and started out with her "show quality" apricot bitch. She wasn't horrible just wasn't as competitive as the others in the ring. She had no one to teach her and her grooming wasn't all that great. She worked hard and soaked everything like a sponge, and she trained her bitch for the ring. It took a while but she finally finished her. Her hard work and perseverance paid off in the form of being noticed by a big name breeder that told her that when she felt she was ready to come and see her when she was ready for a real show dog. She did just that, and that is how she got started in poodles. I admire her very much and now she does a really nice job of grooming and handling. Don't be discouraged if this is something you really want to do. Even if your pup isn't as competitive as others you can still learn on her for when you get your first "real" show dog and have fun doing it together.


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