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Old 01-05-2013, 12:34 PM   #21 (permalink)
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That sounds great optimus21, my first advice is --get that collar off your baby,neck hair is precious!
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I know of one lady who has a mini that has been in the hands of a top handler going on 9 months and has not finished yet. Her investment has been 7500 so far. The mini just isn't that good. Yes, she may ultimately finish her ... in Alaska or Puerto Rico.
Well I don't know about Puerto Rico, but Alaska has a pretty competitive mini ring right now lol. I'm pretty sure their Spoo ring has some nice dogs too lol. There is a Sunraze mini up there that I thought would have had more points by now.


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From what I have heard it is pretty much impossible to just go and buy a show puppy If your a newbie) you have to have shown or be big name kennel. I may go and realize it is not for me. But I feel the need to try. I rather try and fail than not try at all. All this information is helpful the good and the bad. I have realistic expectations.
all the more reason to start with this pup. You'll learn to groom and show this dog. Your right you'll have to prove yourself to get a chance at a nicer dog later on.


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and Puerto Rico usually has Kay P.

Don't count on picking up those points!


Keithsomething is right, and Jacknic was very polite while being realistic.

Give it a try! If you want to show - go to shows, have your pup evaluated and give it a whirl!

R.E.: Pups from breeders who do not have AKC titles on their OWN dogs, not "Ch in the line", duh! All lines have a CH in there somewhere!

It certainly seems "show quality" is the thing to promote (along with COI being promoted as the latest sales gimmick). Yet, if they have not finished an AKC CH, how do they know what show quality is? Perhaps they would be better served promoting: first conformation pick, second conformation pick, and stop! Litters usually don't have multiple show puppies in them, unless the litter is linebred on Ch's. And then sometimes not all of the pups are pups that are finished. Reality Check!

It's very possible I'm venting a bit of frustration on your thread. Earlier I was involved in a conversation and learned of a breeder who, with them only a week old, has taken deposits on her "show" puppies from a "CH" breeding. Note that neither of her adults are CH - not UKC or AKC or any other alphabet combo

As a breeder - owner handler in AKC, I struggle to understand the mentality of these breeders. (Especially when they are color breeders - and I KNOW, as I have titled some of the last color to CH, there are so few titled color and generally, quality in color is all but non existent). Are they that interested in selling/placing their pups? Do they really not know? Are they that unethical? Or are they that deluded??

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Nola,

In part I agree... Colour is hard to finish, compared to Black or Cream. Browns are a close 3rd and overall have better structure than some Colour. We have to have better hair, spray-ups, trained pups, and as good or better conformation than the competition on that day. It does not mean it cannot be done, and you cannot do it....

My boy's father was not a CH, but he produced plenty of them, never mind performance and service dogs.... We need to look at a bigger picture.

Some breeders do not do the Conformation ring for various reasons.... One of them is that at times they see inbred dogs with poor structure, and health issues behind them winning with handlers. Not always, but enough to make it not worthwhile. Some can't grow and maintain coat. They do not have the money to pay handlers to do it for them.. Instead they get their proof in the Performance ring. If you look at a performance dog, the structure can be very different from what is in the ring, but still very much following the breed standard, perhaps at times, more so.....

Knowing structure, movement is important. You also need to learn to hide your dogs faults... They all have them.

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You now have a pup that you would like to show. Get enrolled in Handling casses. Most Clubs run them. It is good socialization for pup, and builds a reltionship.

Go to a show and watch. Do not talk to the handlers when they are doing spray up or getting ready to go in the ring. There is always some that are quite nice, as you might be their next client. Tell them that you have a pup that you might like to show. Ask if you could watch them. I would suggest you volunteer to help the handler and make like a sponge. They will ikely be skeptical at first, and you will likely get X-Pen duty.

Pup has some time to grow up before first show. You can build a relationship with a handler in the meantime. Some will help you out in exchange for "Sweat Laubour" during the shows..... If you are observant you will also learn alot about grooming, hiding faults, presentation etc. You will also get some respect at the shows.....

If you have a relationship with the handler you will also get a more honest opinion of the pup's chance in the ring.... You would be more than a face with a pocketbook...

The whole point of this is to make everything pleasureable for you and pup. If pup is not a prospect for the Conformtion ring, perhaps you can try Obedience, Field work, and other venues.... No matter what love and treasure your baby....

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Annie - AKC CH Antoinette Bordeaux du NOLA's Caniche Rouge - was out of untitled parents -and I should clarify...untitled for generations! (Though had her breeder been so gimmicky, she could have certainly promoted "CH Lines", as soooo many seem to have no problem doing).

No issue at all showing a pup from non titled parents.

I think Optimus should grab the brass ring (or the Blue Ribbon!).

My post was more to the selection of "show pup." And not directly to Optimus' breeder. It WAS to breeders, whom, for whatever their reason(s), do not show, have never shown and are never going to show, yet who are, litter after litter selling "show prospects" to people who genuinely plan to title their dogs, yet who are being misled.

Maybe it's just Caveat Emptor. Though it's my opinion that we, as breeders, should have much higher (or is it many more) scruples.

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Thank you all for your replies, I have contacted and will be joining our local kennel club and will do conformation classes in late feb. You have to attend 3 meetings and then they vote if you can join. So I am sure that should help. There are a few shows within driving distance that I am going to try and go to just to get a idea. Even if she turns out not to be show quality I think it would be good just to experience it.
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