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Old 02-11-2017, 03:21 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Can you show me an example of a black-brown dog? I'm wondering if this is an agouti pattern.

As said above, a BbVv would clear to blue but be a carrier of brown, and it would be phenotypically undistinguishable from a BBVv.
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Well black carrying brown is just normal black phenotypically, but the pattern called seal brown is seen in greyhounds, maybe other breeds, too. I know Akitas show a similar pattern, but that looks more like an agouti or very dark shaded sable colouration.
Here is one of the first websites that showed up for seal. You can see examples if you scroll down: Dog Coat Colour Genetics

The only difference between a blue/silver carrying liver and blue/silver not carrying liver would be that the former would be able to produce liver carrying puppies.
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Hi, I'm curious to know more about what the Bb combo means for "blues."

Mabel is a classic blue, but her favorite poodle friend is a distinctly black-brown dog. I'm wondering whether this is a subset of blues or even greys. Is the black-brown (Bb) entirely invisible phenotypically, just carried genetically?

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How old is the black-brown poodle? When a blue poodle is clearing it may have a musty look that might be the black-brown that you are seeing. So if the poodle is young (less than 2 years old), that might be what you are seeing. Just a guess.

As others have said, a BB dog looks exactly like a Bb dog.
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Peppersb - that's what I was thinking, too. I've also seen a brindle poodle who cleared blue, and he had a coat that could be described as "black-brown."
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Could also be bronzing.
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the black blue dog in question is still quite young--probably eight or nine months old.

I think that chances are he is a blue clearing in a patchy sort of way. Though I know his owners, and know he was purchased as a mini poodle, I also think there's a distinct possibility that he has some other breed mixed in, as he does not come from a good breeding situation (read amish puppy mill).

The other possibility that has occurred to me is that he is actually a parti.

Will be interesting to see how his color changes with age. Mabel really loves him and they go to the same puppy daycare on occasion, so he's in our lives!
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