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Old 08-28-2012, 08:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Breeder thinks groomer trimmed Jazz on his head. I don't think she did- told her not to, I was very specific - bath and brush ONLY- NO scissors- nothing. I took him there because I thought it was good socialization for him, not that I couldn't do a bath. They know I want to put rubber bands in.

The breeder swears she trimmed it. Said they can't help themselves and never take him again. I am calling tomorrow to quiz them and find out. I don't think they did, but this whole thing going ballistic over their hair is crazy. Now I am told to put fish oil in his food so his coat stays nice.

He just might not have a lot of hair! Breeder says it will take 3-4 months to grow it back if they trimmed it and to forget about showing AKC until well over 9 months old and only then if nobody touches his topknot. I think my puppy is just lacking hair on top. She says his hair should be almost falling in his eyes and it isn't. Hmm. I say- give the kid a break. But, now I am stressed out the groomer did something that I can't see she did.

He is 13 1/2 weeks old (3 months)- this is one week after the 'bath':
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before bath (nobody has touched his hair on his head other than his face shave):


Do you see any difference? He just looks bald in both pictures to me. He may be hair challenged, but how can you tell at this age. His hair is really curly. Maybe that's making it look short?

Anyway, I am calling to quiz them tomorrow. If they did trim it, then I will go ballistic. Does it really take 4 months to grow back a half an inch of puppy fluff?

I have little rubber bands all ready to stick bits of hair in and no bits of hair to stick in. My poor little bald boy...
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Looks the same in both pictures to me.
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The first thing I thought when you posted photos of Jazz Recently was....oh sh**! Groomer cut his topknot. I have no doubt. Don't take him to a pet groomer again until after he is a Champion.

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So, you thought so too? Hmmm. Why can't I see it? I am calling them tomorrow. I'll let you know what they say. I said bath and brush only. I want to get him out and about, Bonnie was going so seemed a good thing, but not if they trimmed it. I told them not to. He was all blown out when I picked him up, so it looked longer. I just don't see the difference. He's bald.
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Hm... I have a hard time telling. I just don't know if it's the angle or the curliness of his hair. He does have great hair for a pup though. I bet he's gonna have really awesome hair for scissoring. Just look at the curls on top of his head!! Leroy did not have that texture at that age (and he still doesn't on his body). I really hope the groomer didn't go against your wishes.

I attached some pics of Leroy to compare. The first pic is him around 13-16 weeks (I think), second pic is him at 6 months. I didn't clip or scissor his topknot in both pics (oops, I did trim his eyebrows back at 6 mo I think!). You can see in the first pic that his eyebrow hairs were growing.
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Though of course I defer to the experience of those who have grown out hair for shows, I don't see a difference in your before and after pics. Certainly not a 3-4 months to recover from it difference...but like I say, eyes keener for the fine points of the show experience can probably discern what I can't.

I had to go back and look at pictures of Sugarfoot at that age, since I can guarantee that his topknot was never touched with scissors since no one has ever groomed him but his breeder and me. He came to me bathed and with fft, but I don't think his breeder had trimmed any hair at all. I distinctly remember thinking that his topknot wasn't growing *near* fast enough, and here I was with tiny rubber bands I was rarin' to use! So, looking back, I think he didn't have as much hair as Leroy, but about as much as Jazz. Maybe it's a black thing? It looks like I started doing devil horns about 17-18 weeks.

He's a gorgeous puppy, trimmed or not!

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I am not sure looking at the picture that he was trimmed, however with these curls, it could just be that the hair is longer. When you bath or he gets wet, does his hair fall into his eyes? There may be length there, just not easily seen because of the curls. In any case, to grow a coat, bath and bath and bath ... maybe twice weekly. Once I started bathing her often (and even taking her to the beach to romp in the surf), my Karat starting growing hair much faster.
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First of all, I would take a comb or a slicker and loose the curls. Then u might be able to see what yr working with... no?
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It looks like the cleaned it up not so much cut it. Like they trimmed his "bangs".


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It looks like he was trimmed a bit.
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