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Old 04-13-2017, 06:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I printed out descriptions of all of the AKC rally signs. the new ones in novice, intermediate, advanced and excellent all make sense to me on how to teach them, but I have to confess that I am stumped on two of the masters signs. If you have downloaded and have copies to the signs and descriptions it is number 319 and 320 that are vexing to me. I have no problem with others that involve the dogs doing spins next to me, but can't think how I will teach having the dog do a circle next to me while I am also moving. Ideas on this will be most welcome.

I would also invite you all to treat this thread as a place where we can share our ideas about any of the new signs at any of the levels that we might want ideas or help with.


319. Side by Side 360Right Circle - While heeling, the dog and handler will stop forward motion and make a 360 side by side right circle.
[IMG]file://localhost/Users/catherinekelly/Library/Caches/TemporaryItems/msoclip/0clip_image002.png[/IMG]


320. Side by Side 360Left Circle - While heeling, the dog and handler will stop forward motion and make a 360 side by side left circle.
[IMG]file://localhost/Users/catherinekelly/Library/Caches/TemporaryItems/msoclip/0clip_image004.png[/IMG]
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Perhaps I am misunderstanding as this appears to be one of the Australian novice signs (your photos aren't loading on my phone) but if you are stopping forward motion aren't you just doing a 360 yourself with the dog in heel? So one turning a full circle to your right and the other to your left?
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Muggles, we have those 360 right and 360 left signs too, but this is different. The dog does its own circle and the handler does their own circle next to each other. It is like two "parallel" circles being done side by side at the same time and there are two versions one to the right and one to the left. I'm sorry the pictures didn't transfer. I don't seem to be able to save it in a size and format that the forum can load.
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Can you repost the picture? From the description it almost sounds like a Canine Musical Freestyle trick.
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Click-N-Treat I agree it is sort of like a freestyle trick. I will see if I can post the picture later. I tried last night to no avail. If I can't put it here directly I will see if I can find the original link. Imagine two circles right next to each other making sort of a figure 8, but one circle is the handlers path and the left side circle is the dogs path.
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Some new member was mentioning the other day that after a CGC *or a CGN... the Canadian equivalent* that Rally is the next step in dog sports. I agree... for two reasons.

You can learn/practice it at home... no equipment needed. And you can do it in a small space... practicing each movement individually. I found an online hunt for the signs quite a challenge in my earlier, dog sport days. But I found most of them once upon a time.

Signs... and watching a few videos should get you the hang of it even if there are no classes near you. Think of it as some kind of a strange dance... a duet. Ginger Rogers and Fred Astair, if you will. It frees up your movement, adds a little fun as you and your partner waltz thru the course. And the judges LOVE it.
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Is the dog turning left while handler turns right? Because that really would be a cool trick to see. That's a complicated trick because the dog can't cue off your behavior. You're doing one thing but the dog is doing another. You both start out facing the same direction, moving apart and return to each other.

Yes, that sounds like a dance move.

You might need to make two circles in tape on the floor in that figure 8 pattern, with marks at Noon, 9, 6 and 3. Start out heeling with her at three and you at 9. Eventually you'll go clockwise, she goes anticlockwise. Then you'll repeat it with you going anticlockwise and Lily going clockwise.

But first, teach her to follow that clock circle by rewarding at Noon, 9, 6 and 3. Then once she's got it, and looking at you like duh. Send her to the Noon station, while you walk to your noon station away from her. Reward. Repeat through the clock. Repeat going both directions. Fade the clock stops. Fade the tape.

This trick could be easy button easy to train. Or extremely hard to train. I don't see much middle ground on this to be honest. I hope that helped.
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We're going to do rally next because it just looks like fun, fun, fun.
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One tip for all in Novice classes... buy an inexpensive slip leash that you use ONLY for training and the ring. Your dance partner will catch on quick that this is the on-our-best-behaviour leash/collar. No staring at other dogs, no sniffing the floor, no distractions at all... it's Showtime!
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I have no problem with others that involve the dogs doing spins next to me, but can't think how I will teach having the dog do a circle next to me while I am also moving. Ideas on this will be most welcome.


319. Side by Side 360Right Circle - While heeling, the dog and handler will stop forward motion and make a 360 side by side right circle.
[IMG]file://localhost/Users/catherinekelly/Library/Caches/TemporaryItems/msoclip/0clip_image002.png[/IMG]


320. Side by Side 360Left Circle - While heeling, the dog and handler will stop forward motion and make a 360 side by side left circle.
[IMG]file://localhost/Users/catherinekelly/Library/Caches/TemporaryItems/msoclip/0clip_image004.png[/IMG]
I'm going to try this at home (Moses is home with his dad right now since he doesn't have work today or else I'd try this idea now).

I would attempt to use a treat to guide them through the circle motion while moving at the same time. You can swtich the treat behind your back or to the other hand for them to follow. It sounds like it will be a unbalanced mess the first few times but after they get the hang of it, it should be much easier.
I'd move the treat around similar to how I learned to teach finish right.

I'm trying to think of what verbal command would work best for these. Any ideas?
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