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Old 04-17-2017, 07:30 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Slip collars and prong collars aren't allowed in this class. No training collars of any kind. Sometimes I wonder if this is a good class for us, but that's another thread.
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Got it. I was thinking about trial rings. BTW I do not allow unlimited slip collars in my classes but do allow pinch collars (which are essentially modified martingales) as long as the handlers use my techniques for using the pinch collar or are already experienced handlers.
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Click-N-Treat slip collars are allowed (just can't be a one piece collar/leash). I have even seen people go into trial rings with slip chains for rally novice. Every time the judge hears the chain tighten they just ding the person for a tight leash without even having to look up. I tell all of my rally and beginner novice/novice obedience folks to either use a nylon slip collar or better yet a flat buckle or rolled leather collar that will make no noise. No point in making the judge have to decide about hose kinds of issues.
That is very interesting to hear! I'll make sure to make a note of that in the rally class I'm taking. I just got a martingale (with the chain) to provide better corrections. When it comes to actual rally exercises it's pretty easy for us to keep a loose leash. I'll make sure to watch for that with training and if I notice it becomes a problem, I'll get a modified one or switch to a flat buckle only for shows. I'm still figuring out the best collar/ leash set up for each task and performance event.


Lily cd re, as far as the signs 319 & 320 go I tried those out with Moses when I got home (I was excited to see how it'd go).
I placed 2 throw pillows on the floor with enough space for us to walk around them. I then used the treat to guide him around as I walked around mine too. I'm sure you and Lily will pick it up much faster with your experience once you figure out the best way to teach it.
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poshandpoodles thanks for that suggestion. That sounds like a good idea and we can make the circles small at first. I might use cones rather than pillows.
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poshandpoodles thanks for that suggestion. That sounds like a good idea and we can make the circles small at first. I might use cones rather than pillows.
Thanks. I think cones would definitely be better. I was just using what I had lying around the house haha! With Moses being our first spoo, we're slowly working up our inventory of dog supplies (grooming and training).

Did you ever think of a command you'd give for this task?
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At the time I bought Spud the leash he need a new short one. I wanted to make the BIGGEST change I could from his flat collar... so the slip lead. And I never encountered an event that it wasn't allowed. So I'm a little disappointed at increasing rules and regs.

We all had the advantage of training in the breeder's yard and were allowed to use whatever suited us. Usually eight or ten of us there, and the breeder, I'm sure somebody would have said something if I was abusing Spuddie with the noose. There are some of us who are aware and gently leading our dogs, not choking them.

I understand why, but I'm sad that we all must be treated like the lowest common denominator.
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For signs 11 and 12 which are 360 deg right and left in novice, advanced and excellent along with signs 9 and 10 which are 270 deg right and 270 deg left I use the orders "circles" for the movements to the right and "back" for movements to the left. I doubt I will use those orders for those new signs since I want to cue our taking separate paths. I might use out circle and out back to indicate a separate path for the dog vs. me or I might use something like "loop out" and "loop back." First I have to install the behaviors though!
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At the time I bought Spud the leash he need a new short one. I wanted to make the BIGGEST change I could from his flat collar... so the slip lead. And I never encountered an event that it wasn't allowed. So I'm a little disappointed at increasing rules and regs.

We all had the advantage of training in the breeder's yard and were allowed to use whatever suited us. Usually eight or ten of us there, and the breeder, I'm sure somebody would have said something if I was abusing Spuddie with the noose. There are some of us who are aware and gently leading our dogs, not choking them.

I understand why, but I'm sad that we all must be treated like the lowest common denominator.
Countryboy I don't think it has anything to do with the combination slip lead collar being a problematic tool. It is all about that fact that the dog has to have a collar on in the ring. If you are doing rally advanced, excellent or masters, any agility or open or utility obedience there is no leash in the ring but the dog has to have a collar on. Additionally the dog has to enter and leave the ring with a leash attached to the collar. For Lily (whose work other than tracking is all off leash), my leash for rally might be a boot lace if I can't find her "pretty" slip leash (no buckle attachment), but she has to be connected from her collar to my hand with a leash and she has to have a collar on while working after I slip that lead out from under the collar.

Also I am talking about AKC rules and don't know if there are differences for CKC.
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Well really, beyond Novice it's immaterial.

The trick worked well for Spud, but it can't work for y'all. I didn't know that before, now I do!
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