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Old 01-05-2013, 12:43 PM   #51 (permalink)
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So glad you like the video.
Thank you for your kind words regarding my dog.
The most important thing is to never ever be disappointed in your dog.
EVERYTHING our dogs do is a reflection of their training and understanding of their behaviors.
Once I let go of judging my dog and took full responsibility for her behaviors, we really made progress.
I never correct in my agility training and always have fun with it.
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Jility - That video was wonderful thhe joy is just so visible!!! Thank you so much for sharing!

We attended our first class with the new club - it's about a 1 hr drive but well worth it! There are 3 instructors (2 agility and 1 obedience) in a class of 6 dogs/handlers. I don't think I can explain how much difference attending class with instructors that believe in positive training makes!!! Bella did very well in some areas and we have a long way to go in others... We worked on back training the A-Frame due to her scare and by the end of the class she was happily running down - going up will come with time.

Our main struggle in this class is a reliable stay. Bella will do a sit or down stay if I don't move but as soon as I move she does which is a problem in class. The obedience instructor worked with us on this after class and it will be our focus area this week.

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Make sure you never punish her for not staying! it will never build a good stay. Agility is just too rewarding.
Your job is to make staying the most rewarding thuing she does. I would have her sit and stay for meals until released. Be sure you reward her for staying with great treats!
I put my dogs in a sit and walk around them, going back OFTEN to reward. You have to proof it using toys, balls, etc.
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No play for no stay! Try this at home. Set her up on a sit stay some distance (at least six feet, longer for a larger dog) from a jump and walk away two steps. If she stays go back and say good, treat and release. If she doesn't stay just make sure she doesn't get to take the jump before you reset her for the stay. Repeat with you taking one more step each time until you can get to the other side of the jump and then the reward is stay until released to go over the jump.
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Finally had the time, inclination, and software update (for a while there my video editing program was non-functional) to put together a very brief overview of Sugarfoot's weave pole training.


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Sugarfoot's Weave Pole Training - YouTube

He's coming along nicely, I think, though there's still plenty of work to do. Our training center's classes start up again next week. Since I didn't weave at all during the Beginner's classes (as I was working 2x2's at home), I hope to surprise my instructors with passable weaves when we start up again! (I say only "passable" because I'm sure Sugar will find a big difference in weaving in the back yard and weaving at class!)

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Good job! Don't forget to drive him in the weaves. The extra drive will help him to sort out his footwork. It is getting better but he still sometimes crosses over but not nearly as much.
You want to create the drive every step of the way when training. So run next to him and really drive him.
Then you can start adding distance and fade away and throw your toy at the end of the poles.
He looks great!
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Thanks, Helen. I've always been torn between sending him ahead or running along with him; I think I've done a little too much of the former and not enough of the latter! About three days ago something really "clicked" in his doggy brain and he seemed to get exponentially better, but we're still not a finished product yet. At least I see the footwork *starting* to develop, as you mention.

It doesn't help at all that he's firmly in the throes of "teenager brain" and being an all-around brat these days, at times grouchy, at times clingy, most of the time quite difficult in general. He's just over 13 months old, so I'm fervently hoping its an adolescent thing, meanwhile being patient but firm with the little bugger.

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I think you did great!
For anyone interested, I tried to my 2x2 training log for my young standard Poodle. She was about 18 months old when we started. It wouldn't let me attach a Word file. If anyone is interested in seeing my training log, you can email me at helenking@tds.net and I will send you a copy. It includes videos of most steps.
She is the fourth dog we have trained to weave using the 2x2 method (we have trained 8 dogs to weave altogether and used many different methods before we started using the 2x2 method).
We have a lot of set backs in our training but it all worked out in the end.
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I was just looking at another thread about raising a performance puppy. One post there talked about the importance of motivating tugging. I have a question for you guys about tugging. I want to know how and when you use it with your dogs. I have found that if I tug with Lily at trials before our runs she gets too charged up to pay any attention to me. She just goes into total prey drive and runs like a crazy fiend. When I am training I can use some tugging as a reward for good work or as something to do to move her around from the end of the course we are working to the start if she seems distracted but even then I limit it because it sends her into a mode where she is not too aware of what I am asking. I find I get my best results in training and in trials when she is in pack mode. She is a very high drive in leadership and prey, and stimulating prey seems to turn down her pack mode (which is low to begin with) too much. How do you all see this issue in your training and with different dogs you have worked with?
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Tugging is, without a doubt, THE most important reward we can use for our agility dogs. Some dogs don’t tug naturally and must be taught. Some dogs prefer a ball or treats, but if you can get the dog to tug, you will get a lot more drive from them.
We have trained quite a few successful agility dogs (standard Poodles, Border Collies and a mix). We use tugging at home to get the dog into the highest state of arousal we possibly can before and during training. If you can simulate the state of arousal your dog will have at a trial, you can teach the dog to work through being high and still paying attention.
Some of our dogs are off the charts with drive, while others came with zero drive. We use the tug to train them all. We always tug before and after our runs. At home and before a run we do a lot of tug –sit-release to tug-down-release to tug-sit… It really gets their head in the game before a run. They tug, do a simple behavior and are released to tug as a reward. We do this is rapid fire before entering the ring.
So if you can teach your dog to work through that high arousal state at home or in class, you will have a much more attentive dog at trials.
How many times have you heard somebody say their dog doesn’t like to stop on contacts, weave, stay at the startline or do the table because they don’t like to stop or slow down? I laugh whenever I hear that. Dogs do what is rewarding to them. Many people spend more time doing jumps and tunnels and less teaching the control behaviors in drive and MAKING THEM FUN FUN FUN!!! We must make all behaviors equally rewarding. My young dog LOVES the table. She will suck to it given the chance. The same is true with our incredibly high drive BC. The reason is that they were thoroughly trained on the table with lots of rewards. Most people train the table a few times and call it good. Then wonder why they have troubles at trials .
SO, I would say use your tug! Use it at home to bring your dog into a frenzy, then teach it to work through it and use that tug as a reward! 
I hope that helps.
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