jak

facepalm

faerie

shaylynn,
i am sure your boy is a fine dog. he looks sweet and with some training will be a great dog. i have dogs. i have kids. i have dogs that get excited and ump around kids and could knock them down. i'm actively training them to stop that.
currently my lab x is on the trampoline wanting to jump with the kids. and she is not allowed to because the kids could get hurt if she landed on one.

your boy is a fine dog, BUT he is not good breeding stock. just because someone has full registration, doesn't mean they need to continue the line.

you said you've raised gsd. i had a gsd from a very good line and had full registration on him. he had xrays at a young age (he was a 9 month old puppy) and it showed that he was predisposed for arthritis in the elbows. i called my breeder. he spayed his bitch because he didn't want to carry that on. I never bred that solid black gorgeous shepherd. I didn't want to also chance that being carried on.

some dogs, even though we love them and think they are amazing, just don't need to be breeding stock.

and it's okay. your dog does have some faults that concern people being carried on. if you love the breed, you don't want those faults continued. that's all.

i adore my dog, temperance. she's really pretty & way back has champion lines. and she's spayed as of last week. and it's okay.

shalynn

My landlord can and told me i could only have one dog so i either had to rehome one or move, so i found her a home out of state with some people who own a grooming shop and another poodle.

spoospirit

I'm sorry to hear that you had to re-home your female.

Do you have a bitch lined up for him to breed to, Shalynn? He sounds like a dog that you are very happy with and love a great deal and that is wonderful for you, him and your family. Every dog deserves a loving, forever home. And, it sounds like you are progressing with his training; which is great too.

I would really be concerned about passing on some of the faults he has though. He looks much better in his new photos but his faults are quite obvious and will definitely pass down to the puppies he would produce. His feet turn out badly in the back and a bit in the front. This has to affect his gait. And he does have others as well.

Did you have him tested for all of the poodle diseases? It's really expensive to have all the testing done; the OFA hips is $400 alone. It really is important to be sure that he is not passing on something serious to his offspring. You wouldn't want to put puppies through bad health experiences that will lower the quality of its life or even cause an early death and be a huge burden on their new families.

It is really kind of you to want to breed pups that lower income people can afford and say that they have an AKC poodle. However, there is a lot more to consider than that. These dogs are not cheap to maintain. They need a lot of time, training, socialization and grooming is an absolute must. I have had to buy all of the grooming equipment for mine and I could never have done that if we were a lower income family. And, if your boy produces pups with his problems, the new pup owners are going to have to make some very difficult and painful decisions. Vet bills are unbelievably high just for regular maintenance.

I would also like to mention that breeding/whelping, vetting pups is quite expensive and you need to have the time to put into socializing, potty training, getting them used to used to being clipped and brushed out and crate training all those little ones.

After doing all of this, you may not find that you are able to sell the pups as cheaply as you might be thinking unless you are willing to take a loss on them.

Because of his conformation faults, you are not likely to find a good bitch to breed him too. So there is no possibility for even trying to breed up from there.

He is a great family pet from what you have said and improving all the time. But, it might be better if you wait until you can have a second, good quality dog to breed.

I am in no way bashing you or the dog you love. I just wanted to offer some food for thought.

I wish you the best with the training of your boy and hope that you get the rushing under control.

Fluffyspoos

Please leave the breeding to people who know what they're doing.

shalynn

His feet actually dont turn out, he was staniding like that cause he kept trying to go and run, i had just got to my moms and he wanted to go play so he was moving around and i couldnt get him to staraighten up long enough to get a really good pic, when im at home i can get him to stand right but the lighting in the house makes for bad pics. AS for the hip testing, here its nowhere near 400 we have had our male shepherd done and it actuially was not so bad. No i dont have a bitch lined up cause im in no hurry, standards are supper hard to find around here and im not pressuring this issue, ive said yes i would like to breed him once but im not out searching and pushing this matter. Im saying that if someone with a bitch that i like would contact me then yea it would be a possibility, but im not going hunting. For everyone, i know ive said we are back yard breaders but my mom said were not so maybe i have the defination wrong. We have one stud male GSD who has had his hips tested and has been DNA"d, and then right now we have one black female, she did just have her second litter and she will only have maybe 3 more in her life then she gets fixed like our older female did, then mom just bought 3 mini daushhounds to eventually breed so i dont know if we would be classified as back yard breeders or not. Back to my boy, i dont see what flaws he has other than his cherry eye and from what i can tell hes growing out of that cause i have not seen it in weeks. I dont really know what else to say cause i know someone will have a comback to what ive just said but oh well.

Marian

Backyard Breeder Definitions (found on Google):

* A person who casually breeds purebred dogs with little or no regard to the breed standard, genetically linked defects or temperament. Glossary of Dog Terms: Babbler - Bay

* Somebody who owns and breeds dogs for the purpose of resale with out proving through showing, and health checks, that the dog is worthy of being bred. Pet Definitions | The Real Owner

Keithsomething

no offense intended in this...but you would be considered a BYB because you don't do ALL the health testing, hip testing alone doesn't mean your dog should be bred you should be doing every single test involved with that breed ((I don't know whats wrong in the GSD lines to suggest testing, if its only hips that should be looked at...thats lucky I guess)) do you exhibit your dogs in an area? whether its conformation, agility, obeidence, ((would police work count in exhibiting a GSD?)) or do you at least have a desire to breed to the standard and one day exhibit your dogs?

GSD Health Problems

you should have your breeding GSD tested for all of those

Fluffyspoos

Not many reputable breeders would ever breed their bitch five times in its lifetime.. just because you're tested doesn't mean you're not a BYB breeder. Do your dogs have titles? Are they used for performance? SAR? What are you bringing to the breed to better it?

Nothing.

If anyone's ever seen me posting on the forum, they'd know that I general keep off forums with heated debates like this. This, however, is something I am going to speak my mind about. I can't speak against irresponsible breeding at work, but I can do it here, because I can't get fired from a forum.

You think that Mannie would produce some good pups? Well, here's the reality: HE WONT! Your dog DOES NOT fit the breed standard, why are you so attached to your dogs testicles and the thought of baby making? Dogs that are planned for future breedings by breeders that do their homework don't have behavior problems, they don't have obvious physical faults, and they are ambassadors for the breed. They are dogs that buyers want to have puppies from.

I would never get a puppy from Mannie, even if it was a free dog.

You are being completely blind and ignorant with this, just because your dog has balls doesn't mean you need to go out and find him a lady friend. NEUTER HIM! Poodles are expensive dogs to maintain, they are not for low income families, and they are obviously not for people that are inexperienced with the breed.

Your argument is invalid. The end.

Keithsomething

anyone else think of the weird british lady from the weakest link with that quote? ...

YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK GOODBYE

-steps into the shadows-