Karma'sACat

A training class isn't necessary to teach manners. I started with Lola the minute I picked her up and brought her in the house (she was left in my front yard at 5-6 weeks). She was taught to sit for her food in a week. She was taught that she is to sit calmly by the door until released to go out by me. She was taught to lay down when people came to the door and not bark and jump and act like a wild child. We live by NILIF in this house.
I'm sorry to be blunt, but an untrained dog with a small child is a ticking time bomb. You left him with adults who didn't stop him from opening a door and falling down the stairs. Whose to stay they would stop him from pulling your dog's ears, tail, sitting on him, or otherwise annoying/possibly hurting him? Even the most patient dog has a limit and if your son ignores vocal warnings (growls) or it is trained out of him, he will get snapped at and possibly bit.
I also have to ask, if you don't have the money for an essential training class, how do you have the money to breed? Health testing is expensive. And why are you wanting to breed a dog of questionable temperament? Forget breeding, work on making your dog a well behaved pet first.

Locket

Training - I LOVE the "wait" command. It has worked WONDERS with both my dogs. Before walking through a door way, have Mannie behind you, walk through the door way. If Mannie goes to follow you, body block him and say "wait". Make him wait for 15 seconds and then say "okay" and let him through. Practice that at every door way, stairway, whatever, increasing the time he has to wait.



I doubt you'll read this, but I'll give it a shot.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT BREED HIM!!!! No responsible breeder would use Mannie as a stud, which means you'll be breeding to another poor quality/out of standard poodle. Two poor quality/out of standard poodles WILL NOT produce good quality/in standard poodles. Come on....not rocket science!! If you care about the poodle as a breed, if you care about dogs at all, you would not breed Mannie.

wishpoo

Can somebody just please shoot me and end my misery

I know that there are volunteers LMAO - I would gladly NOT be in this crazy world - just DO IT !!!!! PLEEEEAAAASSEEEE

jak

No !!

You can come escape from it all and live with us in NZ!!

flyingduster

hahahaha, yes!!! We have plenty of brick walls to bash your head against here too. Though you might have to get in line.....

shalynn

First off i would like to say thank you to those who have givien me the advise on how to correct this behavior. To all the others im not even going to waist my time and say what i want cause its not worth it, we dont see eye to eye and thats fine but all in all i think its stupid how bad things got when all i was doing is asking for advise and i got more crap than advise, again thank you to those who did offer advise, im really greatfull, all others bugger off

jak

We did give you advice... Not to breed your poor example of a standard poodle... especially now you tell us he has temperament issues... what will it be next ?

yigcenuren

I think this particular incident is less a temperament issue than a training issue. The minute you bring any dog into your life, whether it's an 8 week old puppy or a 5 year old rescue, training should be done. All dogs want and NEED guidance and direction and if they don't get it from you they will start making up their own rules or try to become pack leader.
Basic training is not rocket science and there are many excellent books out there that can teach you how to teach your dog. If finances are an issue the public library is a great resource and has many books on the subject. Waiting for a training class is just waiting for a REALLY tragic accident to happen and is no excuse to not at least START training your dog.
There have been some wonderful suggestions on this thread for teaching your dog out of this behavior. Please start IMMEDIATELY!!!

And if you could hear your son crying while you were in a back room, where the h**l were the other 'adults'???!!!! If it were my kid I'd have torn a stip off of them for not watching him properly. Hope they're not going to be your regular babysitters.

One last thing, I know everyone here has their heels dug in about this breeding thing, but you know what? If they didn't give a damm about you or your poodle they wouldn't say anything about what you are thinking of doing. True friends and people who honestly care, point out things we don't want to hear as well as things we do. But ultimately it is YOUR decision.

cheryl4237

I realize that this will probably put me up on the firing wall, but here goes...
First off, this women has been nothing if not polite in all her posts, and seems sincere in her requests for advice. Many of the reply posts were very helpful, and civil, while others were judgmental and snippy. I think we all need to take a step back, and try to be helpful and kind when someone asks for advice, instead of assuming the worst. Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt. Non of us, including me, have any idea how much training she has given Mannie, because no one bothered to ask her. She has stated that he hasn't been to classes, but whose to say she hasn't worked with him to some extent at home? I know it's hard not to become jaded when it comes to spay/neutering pets. Before the kids, I worked at the APA, and its hard seeing the unwanted dogs, knowing most of them won't be adopted. I am 100% for altering pets, but that horse got a serious beating on another thread, and shouldn't have been brought up on this one. Second, there have been several posts about how Mannie probably has a "questionable" temperament. Come on! Racing his people to the top of the stairs is a TRAINING issue, that alone does not make him an ill tempered dog, and it's presumptuous to imply that it does. I don't think anyone on this forum, (me included) can honestly say that their dogs, no matter how well trained they may be, do not have at least ONE obedience issue that needs work! And third, Harley Chik, bringing her parenting into question was disgusting. Shame on you.

Olie

First of all I can agree with a couple things you said


Agree also on this.

Our goal here is to learn and educate ourselves and others as we can - she has bred dogs, and she has stated she is backyard breader as well. I have not met a breeder who does not have some pretty strong training skills.

Yes some people were ugly some gave good advice, and some of us are biting our tongues but still trying to discourage her from breeding a spoo not health tested, no parent history, and a questionable temperement. This thread is a perfect example.