a fun exercise for clicker trainers... - Page 2 - Poodle Forum - Standard Poodle, Toy Poodle, Miniature Poodle Forum ALL Poodle owners too!

amerique2 · 06-26-2010, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lisasgirl

Yeah, once the dog has it down pretty well, where they're performing the behavior just how you want it using the treats, then you start to phase out the treats. You can do like she does with Paris and substitute click/treat for other rewards. You can also just start giving him treats for doing it a little less often. Like every third or fourth time Rebel does the trick you give him praise or something in place of a treat.

As you start to hold off on treats more and more often, then every now and then you give him a jackpot of treats (like, lots and lots of awesome treats at once). Basically, Rebel never knows when he's going to get something amazing. After a while you can just about phase out the treats completely.

Does that make sense? I'm not sure if I worded it in a way that makes sense.

Thanks, Lisasgirl. That does make sense. And I see that it's a gradual thing-- starting off with clicking/giving a treat every time while he's learning the behavior, then every other time, then every third or fourth time, and, finally, giving a jackpot randomly so that he's always looking for the reward. I'm going to try that and see if it doesn't work. Thanks again for explaining it.

apoodleaday · 06-27-2010, 08:19 PM

FD thanks for posting this. It gave me some great ideas for Lacey and her clicker training.
Are there any fun little tricks you've taught Paris that your clients or friends really enjoy?
I'd really like to shape Lacey for a couple of fun little things for our therapy work.
You and Paris always inspire me

flyingduster · 06-27-2010, 09:08 PM

simple things like shaking hands (and then switching back and forwards to the other paw doing sorta 'patty cake' type play) are always cute. "dirty face", when Paris is laying down, causes her to wipe her paw across her face and always gets a laugh... Working on that more, 'shame' [covering her face with front paw/s rather than just wiping at it] is very cute too! A simple play bow or beg or something too!

My next one, when I get around to it, will be me going 'AHH CHOO!' and Paris going to get me a tissue from the box... I might record the whole process and free shape it... hmm.

cbrand · 06-27-2010, 09:15 PM

How do you transition to putting a command word on it and only getting her to do it when you ask? I imagine that you would only click and treat when she did it after the command, but is there an intermediate step?

If you wanted her to run to the bucket placed at a distance do you think you would need to teach the go out as a separate exercise? Or, could you say BUCKET and expect her to run to the bucket right away?

What if you say BUCKET and she does not perform the task? Is there any repercussion or correction?

apoodleaday · 06-28-2010, 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyingduster

simple things like shaking hands (and then switching back and forwards to the other paw doing sorta 'patty cake' type play) are always cute. "dirty face", when Paris is laying down, causes her to wipe her paw across her face and always gets a laugh... Working on that more, 'shame' [covering her face with front paw/s rather than just wiping at it] is very cute too! A simple play bow or beg or something too!

My next one, when I get around to it, will be me going 'AHH CHOO!' and Paris going to get me a tissue from the box... I might record the whole process and free shape it... hmm.

Yes Yes Yes! Thanks a bunch

Love the AHH CHOO idea

flyingduster · 06-28-2010, 12:14 PM

the bucket thing doesn't have a cue cos it was just an exercise in getting Paris to LISTEN for the clicker rather than look for my movements. If I wanted to add a cue, I'd start saying the cue, just before/as she did the exercise I wanted to be cued (ie sticking her head in the bucket) to pair the exercise & cue together. Do that a few times and then wait a second, if she sticks her head straight in without the cue, it'd get ignored, I'd wait for her to stop and go 'hu?' then I'd say the cue (that having already paired with the action, will invariably cause her to get up and 'try again') and click/jackpot. Etc etc. 'extinction' is when the behaviour, without a cue, will be ignored basically.

To add distance to it, I'd start by having the bucket on one side of me, and when I click, the treat will be tossed away a bit, so she goes off to get the treat, comes back to stick her head in. Then just move the bucket furthur away from me really, allowing her to run to the bucket and stick her head in. lol!!!