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Old 01-15-2013, 05:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Leo just turned 12 weeks. I love this dog. I have never had a Standard before only toys and minis. I also have never had a big dog before either.

Leo is killing me with his biting. I have tried it all. Yelping or crying "ouch" does not work. It only works him up more and more. Time outs do not work. As soon as he comes out, he bites me again. Sticking toys in his mouth, do not work, he thinks my hands and arms are much more tasty!

I am clicker training Leo in very short sessions. I want to do a lot more with him, but my arms and legs cant take too much more. I am loaded with bite marks. Leo jumped up yesterday and grabbed my nose.

Is this normal? Will he ever stop?

I wanted to take a puppy class when Leo was turning 10 weeks, but because of his vaccinations, he has not built up his immune system and I had to skip the class. Next Class is in February, so Leo will be a little over 4 months old. I worry it is getting too late for him to socialize and train. I so want him to grow up being a sweet, calm, obediant dog and I want to do everything and go everywhere with him.

Any advice on the biting? I cant even walk him on a leash without him attacking my feet and legs. He also humps my leg occassionally.

My minis and toys never did this. Is this big dog behavior? Did anyone go through this already? Yesterday I got bit so hard in my thumb that it took a while for the bleeding to stop.

Help, help, help. I don't want to get discouraged. Is there a light at the end of the tunnel?
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I also tried everything with Max, but it seemed to be something he had to grow out of. He is still mouthy however. Max is the first poodle I've ever had so I'm not sure if this is normal. Good luck!

I had problems because medication I take thins my skin. I can say he hasn't broken my skin since his big boy teeth came in though.


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I don't think it's a standard poodle thing, I would say it's more a dog personnality thing. Did you try blowing at his face? Just a quick puff to surprise him, do this every time he tries or bites you. You can also spray water at his face, it will suprise him to. Others will certainly give you other tricks, keep trying, don't worry, you will find a way to teach him to stop this bad behavior.
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It is not a big dog or standard poodle thing. It's just the dog's personality. Looks like you've got a more energetic puppy that needs lots of redirection. They also go through a teething stage so the biting or teething will increase. I am sure people will chime in to help. I just want to tell you to hang in there! To give you some perspective, I got my standard poodle at 12 weeks and he was never destructive and was so low energy that we thought he was sick, all he would do was sleep. The got more restless between 7 months and 10 months but he calmed down. When he gets excited, he will nip at your clothes, but he does not bite hard. He barely grabs treats out of my hands. Many dogs find hands a better toy than actual toys, my Havanese still plays like this and he's 2 years old. I dogsat a mini poodle that is around 4 years old. She bites REALLY hard when she gets excited. She bit me in play so hard that it broke the skin and caused a bruise. It is very important to teach bite inhibition and no pun intended, bite it in the bud before it gets worse.
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I wanted to take a puppy class when Leo was turning 10 weeks, but because of his vaccinations, he has not built up his immune system and I had to skip the class. Next Class is in February, so Leo will be a little over 4 months old. I worry it is getting too late for him to socialize and train. I so want him to grow up being a sweet, calm, obediant dog and I want to do everything and go everywhere with him.
How many vaccines has he got? If he has had 2, he can go to puppy classes and he should be going to puppy classes and/or puppy socials. Does he have any chance to play with other dogs/puppies? Playing with other dogs teaches him bite inhibition.
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The only thing that worked for me with this was zero attention. No noises, no look, no touch, no redirection just simply walking away or stepping over a baby gate standing in another room facing away.

Seems a little cruel and demented in retrospect, but our terrier was the mouthiest, nastiest little puppy for biting.

Our baby standard wasn't very mouthy, and we were easily able to redirect him to kong's etc whenever he would mouth.

I think it's just dog personality.
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DQZNY: This might not take the bite out of things immediately, but you'll see you're not alone and may get some useful tips from this thread.
15 week old puppy biting and growling

It's a tough phase to endure, I wish you through it.
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I hate to admit it, but Spike got a sopping wet washcloth tossed in his face when he jumped up and nipped while I was trying to wash my face. I had not really wrung the cloth, just had it under the water, and OUCH!

Was it perfect? probably not. Abusive? also probably not. Did it stop the behaviour? absolutely and immediately.

I think we do so much over thinking sometimes with the kids and the dogs, and what happens to work is something that is a natural consequence in that moment - with both the kids and the dogs...

I'm not saying you should walk around with a sopping wet washcloth, but if all else fails, it's a relatively harmless surprise of wet and dark as a consequence for biting... so, I'm also not saying you shouldn't...

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I've chimed in on this subject in other threads but I just want to say try to remain calm and hang in there! It will get better if you put the work in. Wade is 12 weeks old today and his bite inhibition has improved dramatically in the past couple of weeks since we've started just completely ignoring him when he starts with it (we yelp also, but the ignoring is most effective). When he is really wound up he will sometimes still get carried away but for the most part we have seen a huge improvement using Dr. Dunbar's method which you can find here: Teaching Bite Inhibition | Dog Star Daily

You'll have to register (free) and log in to be able to watch the video but I really recommend it. We've learned a lot through this website.

And remember to stay consistent with your "punishments." Once you start ignoring after his bites you need to always do this. He'll get the message soon enough.
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It sounds like a very lively pup you have on your hands. I agree this is probably a personality thing, coupled with high energy. Redirect to appropriate objects (kongs or other good chew toys), be calm (really truly internally calm), be consistent.

During teething (coming in a couple of months) mouthiness can get worse, so be ready for it. Adolescent dogs have to chew hard to help stimulate the bone growth that sets their adult teeth into their jaws. That urgent need to chew can last until about one year of age. A kong or other similar toy stuffed with peanut butter then frozen will help lots. We also gave our dogs frozen socks with ice cubes inside at this age. They actually still really love ice cubes.

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