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Old 12-23-2016, 11:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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As most of you know BF and I work hard to have well behaved dogs who are a pleasure to meet in public. They all have CGCs and all of them regularly put in appearances at the nursing home where BF's mom lives. We go to pet stores, home improvements stores and the like all the time. All of our dogs at least also have a rally title or more.

I was in PetSmart yesterday with Javelin in tow. I walked to the back of the store to use their scale and then was looking for a house shirt for Javvy (New York Giants). Javelin can be a bit reactive to dogs he doesn't know if the energy level from the other dogs isn't good and I always watch for those kinds of potential problems to be able to work with him proactively rather than letting him start to act out. Sure enough we saw trouble brewing in the form of two pit mixes as big or bigger than Javvy tangled up on the end of flexi leashes under virtually zero owner control. I made Javelin move back from them but he was already wary and before I knew it one of them had pulled away from the owner and was right in Javelin's face and he had no where to go to get away. He gave the dog a seriously menacing growl as I worked to put myself between them with J behind me and the other dog in front of me. No physical contact got made but it was the kind of thing I hate since it gave Javelin one more bad experience with a dog he didn't know and I worry about how it will translate to group stays later in his obedience work.

The woman juggled the handles for the flexis the whole time we were near each other and had a real deer in the headlights look on her face. I told her I thought she was exceedingly foolish for using flexi leashes since she didn't seem to know how or why they would or wouldn't be appropriate.

Once I was able to safely get Javelin away from this woman and her poorly controlled dogs we were able to walk all the way through the store and do some Look At That work with dogs and handlers that knew how to move past others. We also walked past the doggie day care where a really high energy lab mix got a bit of a rise out of Javelin, but I was able to get him to collect his head and take some orders, so hopefully there aren't any big lasting consequences.

But boy oh boy though do I have little use for people who are clueless about their dogs and even more clueless about the proper use of training tools and equipment.
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Old 12-23-2016, 12:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I never understand people who try to take two dogs on flexi leashes to do anything where you might need your hands. With a regular leash, you can slip your hand through the loop on the end and grab things off the shelves without letting go of your dog; any flexi I've ever seen had a big bulky handle that you need all your fingers on in order to grip. It's really an impractical tool for a shopping trip even if your dog is well-behaved and you use it properly (ie, locked so the dog is close to you when in close quarters).

The only time I use a flexi is when all we're doing is walking, and I want something that's in between a regular leash and being off-leash. For example, wide-open areas that aren't fenced.

This owner sounds totally clueless and like she really shouldn't be going to enclosed public spaces with her dogs. Just because you can bring your dog someplace doesn't necessarily mean that you should do it.
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I feel the same way about people at the dog park. You don't have any business taking your dog there if it isn't well-behaved and under control. Ugh, people can be so clueless and dumb.
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I hate that pet owners's poor choices can have such a negative impact on the carefully thought out choices of intelligent, informed pet owners(or dog trainers). A bad experience can happen so quickly and it can then take months to train it out of a sensitive dog. The joy of having a smart dog is that it is always learning; the curse is that it is always learning. Sigh. I find myself more and more intolerant of stupid, especially when it interferes with another dog.
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It is a sad fact (for the dogs involved) that most pit/pit-cross owners are clueless. I have met pit owners who know their dogs and have them well trained. Unfortunately they are a minority group. But clueless owners are not confined to pities. I met a very well dressed lady with two show groomed white spoos. They were behaving well on their leashes in a city environment. One stopped in the middle of the pavement and unloaded a healthy sized poo. The handler moved on as if nothing had ever happened. I had a very well trained working GSD with me at the time and stopped to pick up with one of the bags every thoughtful handler carries. A little further on a miniature dachshund appeared handled by a little girl. They were directly in the path of the poodles. One poodle bolted pulling the leash from the handlers hand. The other followed dragging the immaculate handler behind. The dachshund was mobbed and killed. The little girl was terrified and in tears. The lady handler uttered a few words no lady should know. She was charged with bringing an uncontrolled animal into a public place and littering. (its an old statute aimed at horses) It transpired the poodles were fashion accessories housed and trained by a paid trainer. The "lady" had little idea how to train or control them. I never found out the fate of the dogs but the "lady" was found guilty of the littering charge. It was an incident I have never forgotten.
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lisasgirl, you are so right about the just because you can, doesn't mean you should part of things!

Charmed I was fortunate to be able to do a bit of work to mitigate what happened. The sad thing is that I have a feeling the other person probably thought Javelin was the poorly behaved dog since he gave her dog quite a deeply visceral warning to get away from him.

And Eric that is just about the worst story I have ever heard. How horrible for the girl with the doxie. I guess we can chalk that up to the concept that poodles will put themselves in charge if the person doesn't take the reins the way they should.
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I can't understand the flexi-leash choice for two dogs. You could be in a heck of a tangle. The ones with line instead of ribbon can sever a digit. Glad nothing bad happened to Javvy.
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Glad Javvy is save, I maybe age with me, but I am one when I see a dog that is not under control, I try to get away. But if that dog approaches my girls ( they are shy of dogs they do not know) I will speak up instantly, and say get your dog under control away from mine. If they are that ignorant or plain dumb I do not care if I embarrass then and at times my self. People that will not take the time to learn what is socially accepted should not take their dogs in public . I have a friend like that and told her until you get them under control I am not going in public with you and your dogs, they are also toy poodles
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A nice couple walk with their Chihuahua in our quiet neighborhood on a Flexi with a line. He's tangled us up while we were visiting! I'm glad their dog has the "free, not free" experience, but I hope the line never fails to retract. I have no problem telling people to leash their dogs or control their dogs, either. Beyond caring if they are offended.
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Sometimes I think you should have to pass a test to both own a dog and use a flexi leash. I was at Petco today and saw a lady with a Cane Corso that didn't appear to be under very good control. I saw them through the glass store front and waited outside with Asaah until they left. Then we went in and Asaah was nearly jumped on by a crazy schnauzer. It's getting so I don't really like to take my dog to places where a lot of other dogs will be :(
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