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Old 12-23-2016, 07:47 PM   #11 (permalink)
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lisasgirl, you are so right about the just because you can, doesn't mean you should part of things!

Charmed I was fortunate to be able to do a bit of work to mitigate what happened. The sad thing is that I have a feeling the other person probably thought Javelin was the poorly behaved dog since he gave her dog quite a deeply visceral warning to get away from him.

And Eric that is just about the worst story I have ever heard. How horrible for the girl with the doxie. I guess we can chalk that up to the concept that poodles will put themselves in charge if the person doesn't take the reins the way they should.
I think any large dog can take charge in the right situation with the wrong handler. I have seen exceptionally well trained dogs (and Horses) take charge of a child or weak handler with bad results for all.
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Old 12-23-2016, 10:35 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Large dogs on Flexi leashes is an instant turn around and leave now situation for me. Maybe because I've worked with a service dog for 13 years, and am training a successor, I have my antenna attuned and wired for early alert. Warning, fool and a dog approaching, exit to the right. I do not trust any dog on a long Flexi. The dog is often too far out for the handler to control. I had to swerve to avoid hitting a dog on a long Flexi. handler was on the phone, dog ran into the street after a squirrel. Handler looked at me like I did something wrong. Hello, clue phone, it's for you, lady.

Flexi's are wonderful when it's -10 and you want to stay in the house while the dog goes out and does business. They're a good way to train and reinforce recall. But in a store? Really? I know it is a pet friendly place, but wow how clueless can you get?

Have you ever noticed that fool dog handlers with out of control dogs are quick to tell you they know everything about dog training? I share your rant. It me crazy, too.
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I have flexi leashes that I use regularly, but only under very specific circumstances with the poodles. I never put Peeves on a flexi. He is too powerful. I also don't do things that require him to be at distance other than tracking and tracking has its own special harnesses and long lines for each of the dogs.

I use the flexi as a way to be able to play ball with Lily when we are away at shows and I can't safely allow her to be off leash. I hook it to her harness and we play fetch.

Lily is past needing the flexi but I use it extensively with Javelin in training when I am working on distance activities. Since I don't want to allow him to think it would be okay to take the dumbbell and then take off with it the flexi keeps us connected. If he were big for ball play I would also play with him as I do with Lily with it.

It would be a great thing if the pet store chains that offered training classes would have a class that was just about training tools and their proper use! Poor use of tools is one of the biggest problems we encounter isn't it? Eric it goes along the lines of poor handling skills. People need to learn good timing, how to be taken seriously at all times by the dog (horse, etc) and how to use the right tool at the right time.
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Sigh...dogs on flexi leads, out of control. It happens so often, but I have to admit, I have never seen it happen two dogs at a time, and in a store for god's sake! That's just ridiculous.

Every time we leave our house with our dogs, I guess we just have to be prepared to meet up with, and deal with ignorant people :-(.
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I am a Flexi Leash hater..........but I got one about a month ago anyway just to give Molly a little freedom when we go down to the Bay, where at certain times, dogs must be leashed and a 4ft leash from the scooter is not very much fun for Molly! I am VERY mindful using it, but I wish others were too. I am now watchful of anyone approaching us with a dog also on a Flexi Leash and reel Molly in before they get to us......she is so attuned to not pulling, that the slightest tug makes her stop and turn back to me.........I know I can control my dog but OTHER dogs? I'd rather be safe than sorry!
What REALLY irks me is the person walking down the boardwalk having an intense cell phone convo while their dog is running amuck even with a leash (Flex) on! A few times Molly has had to jump onboard because a big dog decided she looked interestingly like something to chase!!! LOL! THEN is when the owner is suddenly pulled down the sidewalk and HAS TO pay attention, and you hear them yelling "NO NO NO" while they wrap themselves around a pole or a bench as Molly and I breeze by! Hahaha!!!!
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In line with the Christmas spirit, I would like to reiterate. In defense of clueless dog handlers, any dog no matter how big,small or well trained can be excited by the right stimulant or situation to behave badly. It is up to the handler to accept this as fact. It is a human trait to believe our children and fur-kids can do no harm. We defend them and ignore bad behavior others clearly see. My advise to dog handlers has always been, "Expect the unexpected, because it will happen. If you are ready for it, you can react to prevent problems. Make certain you have the tools you need. An emergency leash, (rolled up tight and can be used as a tourniquet or splint) Emergency Treats, (the one time sugar sweets make sense. They can be carried for years) Poo bags, A loud sports whistle, (trained to it a dog will recall well in an excited state). If you walk in a crowded city or town carry a walking stick. A lightweight stick can be very useful. If you trip and turn an ankle, it is a godsend. (I have seen others trip and given over my ready stick) Other people's poorly trained dogs will often fear a stick and keep their distance without its use. When used it can save a trip to the vet. Its a handy weapon you are allowed to carry anywhere.

In defense of the poor handlers who earn our ire, like many today, they are short on education, It is education that can prevent many of the problems. I have invited myself to schools, where I have taught basic dog care. What to do if you are attacked. How to prevent attacks. Basic obedience training and how a dog reacts to training. How dogs think? Not like humans but as opportunistic readily adaptable helpers who will accept bribes.
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I feel the same way about people at the dog park. You don't have any business taking your dog there if it isn't well-behaved and under control. Ugh, people can be so clueless and dumb.
So obviously it is too cold in Ohio right now, but I want to try taking my little guy to the dog park (when the weather was nice he was not yet vaccinated) He is friendly with other dogs, in fact maybe too friendly since he barks because he really really wants to play. I have been training my butt off with him, he typically comes when called (unless the other stimulus is more exciting than me, which at 5 months is often), good with no, down, and all his tricks but he is still a baby.

How do I test out the dog park without being a "bad owner" of a "poorly trained dog" since he is still so young I cannot claim he is perfectly trained by any stretch of the imagination.
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So obviously it is too cold in Ohio right now, but I want to try taking my little guy to the dog park (when the weather was nice he was not yet vaccinated) He is friendly with other dogs, in fact maybe too friendly since he barks because he really really wants to play. I have been training my butt off with him, he typically comes when called (unless the other stimulus is more exciting than me, which at 5 months is often), good with no, down, and all his tricks but he is still a baby.

How do I test out the dog park without being a "bad owner" of a "poorly trained dog" since he is still so young I cannot claim he is perfectly trained by any stretch of the imagination.
IMO, you don't. Unless you can always be more interesting than all the other stuff then I would not take a young dog to a dog park. Javelin had definite moments of lacking in social graces when younger and I would not have risked anything in the world for him to have had a bad experience at a dog park in the name of letting him loose with "new dog friends."
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I will never use a flexi lead.
1. You have no control
2. never on a chihuahua or toy breed...I learned the lesson a hard way. I took in a ascu chihuahua, in fact he is 13 now I still have him. He came with a flexi lead and really I did not know better at the time. I would let him run while in an open area then rein him back in, one time he ran, I wasn't expecting it but he didn't stop until the end of the lead jerked him back. $3000 later he was ok he ruptured a disc in his neck. He was about 4 at the time. no collars of flexi for him since.
And I agree so many people have dogs they cannot control. I have a neighbor with two pitt mixes. She walks them on flexi, she actually had the young one maybe 7 months old on a pretty flowered harness, the dog just dragged her until she just lets go of the lead. We almost had an incident the other day with our boxer, my daughter stepped in front while keep the boxer behind her. The older pitt came running and while I've seen him do this for years he was growling at our boxer. No excuse for stupid.
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So obviously it is too cold in Ohio right now, but I want to try taking my little guy to the dog park (when the weather was nice he was not yet vaccinated) He is friendly with other dogs, in fact maybe too friendly since he barks because he really really wants to play. I have been training my butt off with him, he typically comes when called (unless the other stimulus is more exciting than me, which at 5 months is often), good with no, down, and all his tricks but he is still a baby.

How do I test out the dog park without being a "bad owner" of a "poorly trained dog" since he is still so young I cannot claim he is perfectly trained by any stretch of the imagination.
Only take him when he has good manners with other dogs. Both of my dogs attended puppy Kindergarten and were well socialized with other dogs before I took them. I still watch their interactions with other dogs carefully. Frosty can occasionally be barky at other dogs to the point of annoying them. I put him on a leash for a time out until he calms down. Then I let him try again. I always make sure that my dogs and the other dogs are safe and having a good time. If not, we leave.
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