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Old 11-12-2012, 05:48 PM   #31 (permalink)
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She is still a baby. Be patient and it will all come together. Since she is about to hit adolescence, don't be surprised if she seems to forget everything for a while. It will come back easily when she grows up some more. I hate to say it, but if I tell Lily to stay and nobody else is in the house she will stay wherever I left her even if I forget about her, but that is from being in open obedience. That is why I try to just use wait around the house.
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She is still a baby. Be patient and it will all come together. Since she is about to hit adolescence, don't be surprised if she seems to forget everything for a while. It will come back easily when she grows up some more. I hate to say it, but if I tell Lily to stay and nobody else is in the house she will stay wherever I left her even if I forget about her, but that is from being in open obedience. That is why I try to just use wait around the house.
Thank you, yeah... I heard that before (adolescence) but I will try to stay consistent with the training, and hope for the best.
Yes, around the house I use "hold on" with the same tone in my voice always... Like when she is waiting for her food, or while I put my shoes on to take her out, or when she is in her crate waking up in the morning and I'm getting dressed to let her out, (it avoids her getting uneasy or upset it also avoids her acting up/being a spaz) She will kinda keep her eyes on what I'm doing waiting for whatever result. LOL But I use "Stay" when I want to sit still or not walk out the door... She stays still like I mentioned before if I have a toy in my hand that I'm gonna throw for her to catch in the air, but once in a while I try saying "stay" for no reason (and when i say ok, com here i give her cheese, but she wont stay long at all). I try sometimes to see if she will stay loger, occasionally she does for a bit. How do I get the message across to her that she cannot move UNTIL I TELL HER "ok" or whatever release command? Just keep working on "stay" trying to get her to stay a bit longer each time?

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You have to increase the duration of the stay in tiny increments. Help her be successful by releasing her with whatever word (ok or free) that you want to use before she breaks the stay. As you get better duration for the stay you should randomize the reinforcement/reward schedule so she isn't looking always for the toy or a cookie. You don't need to go this heavy on this yet, but if you look at what is expected in open obedience, it is a 3 minute sit and a 5 minute down with handlers out of sight and other dogs in the ring. Eventually when you can say you have that level proofed against bombs, playful neighbor dogs, idiotic spectators and the like you will have a rock solid stay. Consistency is critical as you know. You are doing great.
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Lou started misbehaving (teenager type crap LOL) today... not listening to my command, and trying to yank the leash to run (outside) I was like furious (not really) LOL... So I grabbed her by the collar and walked her home (1 block away) holding her by the collar, (no aggression or force at all, just being firm and assertive, like "oh yeah?! you don't act like this, we are going home!" LOL - also because her harness is too big she can get out of it when she is acting up by backing up so.. I have the collar that u can pull and it adjusts to her neck size along with harness, I just grabbed that collar) she walked calmly by me and we got home, she laid on the couch and gave me the look... like "I know I'm in trouble but I just wanna go crazy so bad"...LOL after that we went for another walk and she behaved like a lady
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NOW THIS IS FUN AND AWESOME!!

I just tried a new trick (with distraction, a friend of ours watching)...

I said: "Go to your bed" (pointed to the bed/hand gesture)
she walked to her bed and laid down
I said: "Stay" and started walking away, repeating "stay" occasionaly, I went to the kitchen , hid half of me behind the wall... and then walked back and just stopped in the kitchen and stared at her (SHE STAYED IN BED THE WHOLE TIME)
Then I walked toward her, stopped half-way and said "Ok, come on!"
and she came and got the duck jerky she loves so much!!!!!!!

Normally she'd follow me around trying to get the treat,
but when I say any command, she knows I mean it!! LOL

The "GO TO YOUR BED" is new, the "stay" we've been working on...
but the bed I bought yesterday :-D

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Cute pics. On your bed or go to place is really useful as a "time out" or for you to be able to get something done in peace. You will be really glad to get this under your belt. Keep going!
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I'm working on go to bed too, except he goes to my bed

Am I doing it wrong?!?!

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Cute pics. On your bed or go to place is really useful as a "time out" or for you to be able to get something done in peace. You will be really glad to get this under your belt. Keep going!
Thank you!
Yes, I've had that be useful, but with the "Stay" command.
But with the "Go to your bed" command she will only stay on her bed if I say "STAY" after she has gone and laid down already, I guess that's ok... But I thought the "go to your bed" command meant 4 steps:
1walk toward your bed, 2put all four paws on the bed, 3Lay down, 4Stay there.....(?)
123 = fine, 4?... nah! LOL

But I'm proud, at least she will stay with the "stay" command :-) And hey, I just realized something... today is the first day I tried "Go to your bed"... Maybe I'm expecting a little too much too soon? wow.....
she is a little genius though!!:-D

MaryLynn that's funny... I question myself too sometimes... hehehehehe
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Stay always comes in baby steps and in all contexts. Help him be successful by releasing him and praising before he breaks the stay on his own. You will build up the duration a few seconds at a time. Apply this principle to sits, downs and on your bed, etc.

Here's a funny story about which bed. When Lily and Peeves were old enough to sleep out of their crates all night I wanted them to sleep on their own beds in our room. Well, Lily had different ideas about that. She was now big enough to jump up on our bed, so that is where she thought she should sleep. She would jump up while I was reading or watching tv. I would get up and put her off and tell her on YOUR bed. She would stay there for a little while then jump back up, repeat picture of this in your head as many times as you like. Eventually she learned to wait until I fell asleep. Through all of this my boyfriend was usually in his shop tinkering at some sort of project. By the time he would come up to go to bed, he would find Lily fast asleep on our bed. He generally decided that finding this must have meant I changed my mind about having them sleep in our bed so he would leave her there. Somewhere in all of this one of my nieces taught Peeves that he could jump up on the bed too. So now there are many nights where there are four of us in our queen size bed. Boyfriend and I usually cling to the edges for dear life with feet poking us in the nose, eye or ear! I will admit though that having them on the bed when we had no heat still in the 12 days after the hurricane and nor'easter felt good. So MaryLynn, I wish you luck getting Gryphon to know which bed you mean.
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Stay always comes in baby steps and in all contexts. Help him be successful by releasing him and praising before he breaks the stay on his own. You will build up the duration a few seconds at a time. Apply this principle to sits, downs and on your bed, etc.

Here's a funny story about which bed. When Lily and Peeves were old enough to sleep out of their crates all night I wanted them to sleep on their own beds in our room. Well, Lily had different ideas about that. She was now big enough to jump up on our bed, so that is where she thought she should sleep. She would jump up while I was reading or watching tv. I would get up and put her off and tell her on YOUR bed. She would stay there for a little while then jump back up, repeat picture of this in your head as many times as you like. Eventually she learned to wait until I fell asleep. Through all of this my boyfriend was usually in his shop tinkering at some sort of project. By the time he would come up to go to bed, he would find Lily fast asleep on our bed. He generally decided that finding this must have meant I changed my mind about having them sleep in our bed so he would leave her there. Somewhere in all of this one of my nieces taught Peeves that he could jump up on the bed too. So now there are many nights where there are four of us in our queen size bed. Boyfriend and I usually cling to the edges for dear life with feet poking us in the nose, eye or ear! I will admit though that having them on the bed when we had no heat still in the 12 days after the hurricane and nor'easter felt good. So MaryLynn, I wish you luck getting Gryphon to know which bed you mean.
hehehehe love the story :-) the part "you can picture this in your mind as many times as you'd like"made me laugh hard LOL great stuff !! Thank you for sharing
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Stay always comes in baby steps and in all contexts. Help him be successful by releasing him and praising before he breaks the stay on his own. You will build up the duration a few seconds at a time. Apply this principle to sits, downs and on your bed, etc.

Here's a funny story about which bed. When Lily and Peeves were old enough to sleep out of their crates all night I wanted them to sleep on their own beds in our room. Well, Lily had different ideas about that. She was now big enough to jump up on our bed, so that is where she thought she should sleep. She would jump up while I was reading or watching tv. I would get up and put her off and tell her on YOUR bed. She would stay there for a little while then jump back up, repeat picture of this in your head as many times as you like. Eventually she learned to wait until I fell asleep. Through all of this my boyfriend was usually in his shop tinkering at some sort of project. By the time he would come up to go to bed, he would find Lily fast asleep on our bed. He generally decided that finding this must have meant I changed my mind about having them sleep in our bed so he would leave her there. Somewhere in all of this one of my nieces taught Peeves that he could jump up on the bed too. So now there are many nights where there are four of us in our queen size bed. Boyfriend and I usually cling to the edges for dear life with feet poking us in the nose, eye or ear! I will admit though that having them on the bed when we had no heat still in the 12 days after the hurricane and nor'easter felt good. So MaryLynn, I wish you luck getting Gryphon to know which bed you mean.
He is really good with stay. I can tell him to stay in one room and walk around the whole house (if there is no one to break his concentration around) without him moving from that spot.

I was more or less kidding, I let him on my bed because I am a bit of a suck for them both, and like Lily he just waits until he thinks I forgot about him and he sneaks up.

I get woke up every morning from my terrier jumping on me like Im a trampoline... it's 'awful'
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