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Old 12-31-2012, 09:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've been a dog owner for many (many) years, and am (and have been for quite some time) considering a Standard in the future...

Although I do, very much, like the breed "on paper", I have some serious reservations about health, temperament, energy level, and taking care of that curly coat.

I'm looking forward to gaining further insight into your breed!
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You will not be disappointed if you are committed to the grooming that they require. They are the best breed IMO. They are loving, cute, smart, cuddly, and humanish. I think I just made up a word. They are the best.
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You will not be disappointed if you are committed to the grooming that they require. They are the best breed IMO. They are loving, cute, smart, cuddly, and humanish. I think I just made up a word. They are the best.
Thanks for the reply, My. As for the grooming committment, that would be no problem; over the past 27 years, we've had breeds which required "extensive grooming". However, in this regard, I'm just a bit worried, as I did doggy-sit for a friend's Poodle for a couple of weeks, and never once managed to be able to get a comb through her hair - just some ineffective surface brushing. But first things first; I'll "worry" about the grooming a bit later.

Oh - and yes. I actually know exactly what you mean by "humanish".

The answers as to why would seem self-evident - but I'm curious as to how many other different breeds you owned in the past before you could come to the conclusion that, for you, the Poodle was "the best"?

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As far as health and temperament go there are, of course, no absolutes but you can reduce your need to be concerned by researching reputable breeders. Make sure they do health testing and check coefficient of inbreeding (COI) for litters from which you are considering puppies.

In the arena of grooming, you can always opt for a shorter coat. Also if you let it go long and it gets out of hand you shave it off and start again, since it is hair it regrows pretty quickly.

As far as energy goes, they do have a fair amount of it. My Lily is a high drive girl (read lots of energy). I channel her energy into mental exercise along with the physical exercise she gets in the yard with our German Shepherd dog, on walks, and in our obedience and agility work.
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As a child we had a dalmatian, chow chow, lab, husky, and a small mix breed from a shelter. After I got married we got 2 shar-peis. The share-peis shed a lot. We bathe them once a week, but they always seemed "smelly". Probably because they play fight and get saliva all over each other. My hubby said no more dogs after them. I'm a doggie person so after 3 years of nagging him for a puppy he finally gave in. He said just 1 puppy and I had to promise him that I wouldn't ask for another one. After doing extensive research (since I was only allowed to have 1 dog) I decided that I wanted a toy poodle. Gucci was the best puppy ever. He was potty trained in 1 week. He learns commands/tricks within 15 mins. He gets the run of the house and never gets into trouble. He sleeps in bed with us. Hubby loves him so much that he said why don't we get another toy poodle to keep Gucci company while we are at work. I couldn't believe my ears. We got Miu Miu 3 months after Gucci. She is just as smart as Gucci. Although potty training took 2 months instead of 1 week.
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Welcome Mina,

Welcome to poodle Forum. There is lots of useful information here. It is a nice support network for those with Poodles...

We have had various breeds.... My parents had Silver Poodles, we also raised Shelties, and we had a Puli. We showed, and had cousins with Scotties and Schnauzers. As an adult we have also had a few different breeds... The Silver Standard Poodles are the best, along with our Airedales.... Both breeds are semi-human. Although for show, the coat can be a challenge, pets can be kept shorter, and need less maintenence.

Depending on lines, there is an assortment of temperments and energy levels.... Poodles were bred for a variety of tasks. Look to the parents, grandparents and siblings for energy levels and type of temperment....

Ask for references of past puppy owners.... It is preferable if the breeder does something with their dogs. If you are getting a "Purebred" the breeder is required by Canadian law to provide you with your Registration Certificates from the CKC. They are not allowed to charge extra for this.... You can check if the breeder is in good standing with the CKC as well.

They should "prove" their dogs in some way... I am not hung up on the CH title, but like to see Conformation, Obedience, Rally, Hunting etc put on the dogs. Some do not compete, but still prove their dogs on the Farm, Field, or Therapy areas. Make sure there is Health Testing and the breeding is done with a mind to minimize health risks. Litter co-efficient is good, but more important is overall co-efficient over many gens.... A dog that can appear to have a low litter co-efficient, can have a overall high COI.

For grooming, you usually go through with a soft slicker or brush before you touch a comb. This may explain the difficulty you had with your friend's pup....

Good luck in your search!

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I have had lots of dogs including a Maltese and 2 Shih Tuzs that required grooming. But I have to tell you they were nothing compared to taking care of 2 spoos! I have to do something every day and it is still hard for me to keep them mat free. I have to walk my dogs daily, somethine else I did not have to do with some of the other breeds. That being said, they are so worth it , if you have the time!!!!!
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Hi all.

I've been a dog owner for many (many) years, and am (and have been for quite some time) considering a Standard in the future...

Although I do, very much, like the breed "on paper", I have some serious reservations about health, temperament, energy level, and taking care of that curly coat.

I'm looking forward to gaining further insight into your breed!
What reservations do you have, specifically? For example, what health problems concern you (I know, all of them are a concern ), what kind of temperament and energy level are you looking for, what are you up to as far as coat care?

The first 3 things you mention (health, temperament, energy) can all be resolved by doing your research and picking the right breeder:

1) Obviously, no amount of health testing guarantees that nothing will go wrong, but picking a breeder that is breeding healthy dogs minimizes the risk.

2) Temperament is always important, and the good thing about standards is that they are very versatile and their personalities can range all over the spectrum. Common personality traits are high intelligence, being "cautious" and "thinkers" (compare to a Labrador, that tends to have more of an "act first, think later" mentality), and a certain amount of independence (not all of them, but compared to a Golden Retriever for instance, they don't tend to be quite as "needy" although some can be). A well-bred standard should not be fearful or aggressive, which are two fairly common traits of poorly bred, poorly socialized poodles.

3) Energy level in standards is all across the board. I have two couch potatoes, but know some that need extreme amounts of exercise daily to be manageable. Again, if you want a calm dog, don't go out and purchase a puppy from a breeder that is breeding hunting or agility dogs. Look for a breeder that does conformation and is involved in therapy work (for example) with their breeding dogs. If you want a drivey dog, don't buy from a breeder who's dogs are couch potatoes.

So you can see a trend here. Pick a breeder that is doing things right AND breeding the type of dog you want, and you will be absolutely thrilled with your poodle.

And to address the 4th thing, grooming can be as easy or as involved as you want it to be. Not up for the maintenance of a long coat? Opt for a shave down every 6-8 weeks and you will be good to go (search "sporting trim" or "miami trim"). There will be little to no in-between maintenance aside from running a brush through the hair every now and then just as you should with pretty much any breed. If you are up for a little more grooming, a lamb trim is a cute way to keep a little hair but still stay manageable. Poodle hair is what you make it, and the biggest thing to consider is not necessarily the upkeep, but the costs of those "every 6-8 week" grooming sessions, which will run you $60-100 bucks depending on the size and personality of your dog and the area you live in.
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I hear you...believe me I do! I was a big Golden Retriever person in the past. As a matter of fact, I owned a very nice Golden, back before anyone knew what they were except the fanciers (1970's). I adore the breed but even then and even with the show kennels, there were health problems. My dog had dysplasia and skin problems which did effect her quality of life. I didn't want to face that again and I was sad to find out that there are actually far more health problems in the breed now, then there were then!
I found Poodle Breeders are quite strict about health issues, with the CHIC foundation registry that screens all breeding dogs (from good kennels) to help protect the health of the breed. The kennel I got my dog from (Rebel Star Kennels in Alabama) is also strict about where the dogs are going, what the environment is like etc. Make sure you go to a kennel that has CHIC registered dogs and who really cares about the breed.
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Dexter and Bella are our first standards and I promise you will absolutely love a standard. They are so smart and a perfect fit for any family. We had Bella first and got Dexter about six months later. Put your order in now. You can't have just one.


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