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Old 06-23-2010, 01:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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So, I've been looking at a LOT of breeders' web sites. I saw the thread about Ash's Mystical in NV, and it brought to mind this breeder:

Standard Poodles For Sale Puppies Breeder White Cream Red Standard Poodles

What do you think? I, according to what I've learned from the forum, see several red flags. Additionally, I personally feel when people toss Jesus all over whatever they're doing, it makes me think they're trying to manipulate me. Distract me with, "Oh, Look! Jesus!" and while my head is turned, steal my wallet.

Whether they're sincere in their beliefs or not, I wish that they would use fewer bible references, and more information on, say, biosensor training, pedigrees, or temperament testing. Actually, if the information is there, it's buried in a lot of irrelevant (to me) junk.
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I entirely agree about the biblical quotations - very strange! To be fair, though, the pedigree information is all there for each of the dams/studs (saccherinely referred to as "Ladies" and "Gentlemen"). Most of the site strikes me as weird in the extreme, but then I am a Brit! We would be wary of any breeder who offered to ship a pup to someone they had not met - the advantage of living in a small country.
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I would not buy from them if It was me buying.

Are any of her dogs health tested ? She has 2 litters born around the same time 17 puppies they are trying to sell right now
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Yes. We don't think anything of shipping a puppy to someone you haven't met. Or buying a puppy from a breeder you haven't met. One of the disadvantages of living in a huge country!!
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Shipping is fairly normal here. just a large city to large city can be a 7 hour drive at the shortest.
Biblical qoutes seems to be big with poodle and mini aussie breeders. Of course it can be just that i'm only parusing those sites mostly. but again i say MINI aussie (HMMM and DOODLE) breeders which well tends to put them into the 'i don't respect you' catagory. Course i'm also very sensitive to it being from a very religion has caused issues in our family type family. But then i have issues with schools saying grace and using christian things in it- why can't it just be a 'thank you' ... ok i'm rambling.

I do think that parts of the US it is more standard to see biblical qoutes then others.. . you know?

Oy the pic on the first page :( not what i'd use but tha'ts just picking hairs.

I don't agree with selling intact dogs to just who ever. Personally i think it should be on a co own basis only- but that's me. They do at least state in their contract that using the dog to mix breed is not allowed. How to police that though? doubt it. not sure what's with the not registering it CKC though...

The contract itself is not bad... but what's with the 'if being given for a gift or a surprise" OY i don't think that's kosher what so ever. Gifts/surprises should never be a dog!
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Shipping is fairly normal here. just a large city to large city can be a 7 hour drive at the shortest.
Biblical qoutes seems to be big with poodle and mini aussie breeders. Of course it can be just that i'm only parusing those sites mostly. but again i say MINI aussie (HMMM and DOODLE) breeders which well tends to put them into the 'i don't respect you' catagory. Course i'm also very sensitive to it being from a very religion has caused issues in our family type family. But then i have issues with schools saying grace and using christian things in it- why can't it just be a 'thank you' ... ok i'm rambling.

I do think that parts of the US it is more standard to see biblical qoutes then others.. . you know?

Oy the pic on the first page :( not what i'd use but tha'ts just picking hairs.

I don't agree with selling intact dogs to just who ever. Personally i think it should be on a co own basis only- but that's me. They do at least state in their contract that using the dog to mix breed is not allowed. How to police that though? doubt it. not sure what's with the not registering it CKC though...

The contract itself is not bad... but what's with the 'if being given for a gift or a surprise" OY i don't think that's kosher what so ever. Gifts/surprises should never be a dog!
Y'know, if the Bible quotes had had more to do with dogs, or animals in general, rather than reminders of their belief that their religion is the only way to be a good person, I would have gone along with it.

Thanks for finding the pedigree page. I feel a little silly that I missed it- in my defense, however, I was still reeling from all the Jesus.
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I would not buy from them if It was me buying.

Are any of her dogs health tested ? She has 2 litters born around the same time 17 puppies they are trying to sell right now
That's one of the things I'm wondering! Plus, all of those puppies that need homes make me a bit nauseous. I mean, WHY breed yet more puppies if you can't find homes for the (LARGE) number of ones you already have??
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Well, I have been looking at a puppy from them, and have gone to their kennel to physically meet the puppies, and I really can say they are doing a great job. All of their dogs, puppies included, are well socialized and friendly. They know each dog and puppy's personality and pedigree, dates of whelping off the tops of their heads.

They might not be breeding to a "show" standard, though there are some of their dogs being shown and doing well. The puppies that are for sale are the last of litters, and most of their litters are sold by the time they are born. The dogs are all happy, healthy, active. They do all their own grooming (one of the owners used to own a grooming salon) and that's a huge job in and of itself.

The Christian stuff, well, it's their site, and something is going to offend somebody somewhere.

I have no qualms about a puppy from them, and feel better about their knowledge of the breed than the lady I got my girl from, who also breeds labradoodles (shudder).

The only gripe I had was thier kennel employee used some questionable language in front of my two boys, but she is seriously country. She still seemed to be knowledgable about the dogs/puppies.
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not sure what's with the not registering it CKC though...
the ckc registration she is probably talking about is the continental kennel club, which in the south is a joke registry.
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The other poster is Canadian, maybe that's Canadian Kennel Club?

Family Affair's dogs are AKC, not Continental Kennel Club.
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