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Old 04-24-2012, 09:05 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I'll tell you what, the older I get the more I learn that I do NOT know.

1. I was trying to look up the AKC PR number of Ziva's dam, since she does not appear on the breeder's website, only to learn that one cannot search an AKC registration number to get information? How weird is that? I'm probably the only person that didn't know this already, but jeez, what's the use of a registration number if you cannot do lookups based on it? How do people do pedigree research?

2. Lesson: try not to aggravate your breeder, even if you have good reason, if you ever ever hope to get information from them ever again. I still don't know what could have happened to cause Ziva's sire to be wrongly listed on her pedigree, and it may just have been an error, but good luck to me trying to get this sorted out without the cooperation of the breeder, yes?
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I'll tell you what, the older I get the more I learn that I do NOT know.

1. I was trying to look up the AKC PR number of Ziva's dam, since she does not appear on the breeder's website, only to learn that one cannot search an AKC registration number to get information? How weird is that? I'm probably the only person that didn't know this already, but jeez, what's the use of a registration number if you cannot do lookups based on it? How do people do pedigree research?
You can do a lookup based on the AKC number, but it will only tell you the registered name, date of birth and color of the dog that goes with that number. Did you try PHR and PPD? If she is not listed on either of them.. well the last two numbers of her registration number are litter numbers. So you can enter her number (on the AKC lookup) and then change the last two digits, 01,02,03, etc. What you will be looking for is the name of siblings. Then you can search PPD and PHR for their names. If that doesn't turn up anything at all, you can run each of the names you find through a google search and see what that turns up. Good luck!

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Here are pedigree links to the two boys you named:
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Ahhh, thanks, Yaddaluv! Thanks to you saying it's possible, I finally figured out how to do the AKC lookup also. That bit about going to My AKC then adding dogs of interest... gosh, I had not caught onto that before.

Thanks for the PHR lookups! I am really quite sure that Family Affair's Ruff-n-Ready Cowboy is the correct sire -- Ziva looks almost exactly like him -- just now how to get her pedigree corrected. Never met nor saw the dog Family Affair's Power Stroke that is listed on her pedigree; and he is a black dog. Ziva is brown and apricot, like Cowboy.

FWIW, Ziva's registered name is Family Affair's Hot Buttered Rum... Now I know I can find out if anybody registered her surviving littermates, or if they were given the same parentage... I THINK I can find that out now.

And Ugghh, poor Cowboy's OFA background... not so good at all....

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Any poodles registered with Ziva's number +their own litter number, will all be listed as having the same parents.

Ziva's number is PR15751401 (the 01 on the end is the number of pup she is in the litter, ideally done in birth order).


There is only one littermate to Ziva registered with the AKC. A black bitch. Registered name Family Affair'S (that is the correct spelling, capitalization as registered. Her AKC number is PR15751402.

Many times pet owners are just thrilled to know that their poodle CAN be registered with AKC, they have the registration application and never submit it. It seems that so many people have different concepts of what makes a reputable breeder. We all grow as breeders and learn. Now that we have such tools as PHR and PPD, I believe it's vital that poodles are registered as it makes the tracking of health issues much easier. The more data we have regarding health issues, the more we learn about those health issues and the ways to avoid them. I encourage breeder's to register their puppies before they leave to go to their new homes. Of course, many breeder's don't want health issues associated with their name (None of us do!) so it's nicer when registrations aren't done.

That is not intended to be a critism of Family Affair, most breeder's as standard practice just send the registration applications home with the owners. I would encourage breeder's to re-think this practice based on concern for breed health. I have had many contacts through the years from different people having older poodles who had developed health issues where I was told that the owners had been given "the papers to register with, but didn't care about that, didn't think they were important" so they discarded them.. and don't have a clue who the poodles parents are. If they are registered as puppies, often times the owners know the registered names of their poodles even if they don't remember the parents names.. once registered there is usually a way to go back and find the parentage.

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I do not understand why it is even an option. As a CKC member, we have no choice. We MUST register every puppy. If caught selling unregistered pups, we can lose our membership and face a hefty fine. And we are not allowed to charge extra or less based on with or without papers. They HAVE to have papers.
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Just different rules for different registries.

Some kennel clubs will not allow registration of pups from closely related poodles, from poodles who have less than optimal testing results or certain colors or markings of poodles. Depends on the registry, what their rules are... and they sure don't all make sense to me!
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Me either! I do not think registration should be an option! It should just be.
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Kudos to CKC---good policy!
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Well, personally, I'm a big fan of "education, not legislation". So... in the USA.. maybe the thing to do is look for breeder's who register all of their offspring?
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