Abbe gails Mom

So, OK! you have made your case. Simple, if you dont like a sight, dont go there. They are not pushing there religion off on any one. They never said that any one had to belive there way are they would not sell them a dog. There standing for something, and letting everyone know what it is. Some people think that if you dont stand for something, you will fall for anything. However, if your going to put a breeder down, do it for the way they treat there animals, not for there beliefs.After all, We do still live in AMERICA, dont we ?

MaryLynn

I don't think it's about questioning or judging someone's religion, but I do get irked by the "christian" stamp.

My DH has a management position, and he deals with people who frequently throw the "but I am a good Christian man/woman" thing around, such to say "how could you question me, God doesn't" etc.

When I look a that website I see nothing different than "my breeding program is justified by my faith" and while it's nothing against the faith per say, it holds a strong biases (to me). It's a strong statement to me as a non religious person, which would I think be in turn a comforting statement to a religious person (and may make less experienced dog adopters NOT ask the right questions, making an assumption that they are in fact infallibly breeding).

They seem to have a lot of dogs, and an awful lot of litters. I am not a big fan of breeding unless you have a wait list or expect your demand etc. I am also not a fan of breeding to produce "rare colours" or to explicitly turn out the highest profit possible.

I do not know much about colour genetics, but I see that they're breeding a lot of silver/blues to non silver blues, and non blacks etc. It just looks like they're breeding whatever they think will create the most variables.

However, if I found a future breeder that was doing everything right, and was outward about their faith I wouldn't hesitate to purchase from them. Religion isn't the turn of, but the attitude that being a Christian implies everything is being justly, is a turn off for me.

I'm just not going to get a dog because someone has faith, everything else still has to be there

Ladyscarletthawk

It's sad really that saying, "I'm a Christian", has the opposite effect Than it's meant to. I now some good Christians and they NEVER use that phrase unless you were to ask them what religion they were. They don't toss that phrase around nilly willy, or as a way to put you at ease. They merely show you that they are good people. IME, when someone says they are a good Christian they tend to be the first to curse you out, bounce a check, try to cheat you, gossip about you, or do all sorts of things that should not be done by a "good Christian". Sad but true. I know it sounds harsh but that is my experience , and I in no way mean there are no good Christians or that all people that use that statement are bad. Actions speak louder than words in this case.




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MaryLynn

Yep, I wholeheartedly agree with you. Deeds, not words.

Angl

This is the breeder where I got my Max. Like'm or not, I've never seen a cleaner or more organized place in all of my life. When we took Max to the vet 2 days after bringing him home, he was parasite free and his shots were all up to date. He was so clean and no fleas. Smelled wonderfully, too. :-) It is a family run business. The AKC inspects it regularly, too.
We drove the 3 hours, because there were no standard poodle breeders any closer except one and granted she was a vet, but I wasn't that impressed.

Angl

The puppies do come with a health guarantee, a 3 and 8 year depending on health problem.

3dogs

The important thing is that you found what you were looking for & now Max has a great home. My OT is from a BYB a client of mine & though she has only had 2 litters in 6 years she is more of an Ooopps! I left my intact male & intact female together & look what happened. Needless to say I have an awesome Poodle & this year we are showing Rally as well as in the groom ring. I also have a Spoo from rescue & my Tpoo is my conformation dog. So I have gone to all different spectrums & have found awesome Poodles.
Enjoy Max & love the pictures.

Surly Seabear

Last Wednesday, March 13th, my wife, daughter and I drove down to meet, what soon would be, our new pup. The facility was very impressive, the staff very kind and helpful. Our pup, Phoebe, was just being dired and having her nails and coat touched up. The staff chatted with us the entire time we waited, making us feel at ease, and were extremely sweet to my 8 year old daughter. Being my 8th experience adopting a new pet from a breeder, this was a very pleasant experience, and well worth driving the 8 hour round trip. Our pup is awesome...while my first Poodle, I am still impressed on how much she already knows. They have followed up with us, to see how Phoebe is adjusting.

When the day comes that I need another poodle, they will be my first place I look.

Angl

Can't wait to see pictures. :-)

Surly Seabear

Here is Phoebe with our Aussie Kaylee...they get along great!