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Old 02-08-2013, 11:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Does anyone have any experience with Regal Poodles in Iowa? Thanks!
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Did you look at the Nursery page? It says, "We are looking to add 2 more Standard poodle or F1 GoldenDoodle females and 1 moyen or miniature Red Male to our breeding program." Puppy Nursery

What are you looking for exactly? I think you should make a list and maybe we can help you find a few responsible POODLE breeders that you can talk to.

ETA: I remember you are looking for a red spoo on the smaller side, right?

I think I have suggested you to contact Audrey (Bonheur) in McHenry, IL to see if she will have a larger Mini. Call her instead of emailing her. She owns and runs her own grooming shop so calling her in the late afternoon/early evening so that she can sit down and talk.

Contact Jean of Patriot. http://www.patriotpoodles.com She's very responsive and always replies her emails promptly. She breeds all 3 varieties of red.

There's NOLA http://www.nolastandards.com She's also very helpful. I emailed her and seek advice from her and she's been very generous sharing her knowledge even though I was honest with her from day one that a spoo was too big for my family.

I saw that you have lost your poodle and that you wanted to find a healthy pup and we are here to help. And yet, you kept asking about some breeders that I (and maybe other fellow members too) won't personally buy a puppy from. Don't be shy. Contact these wonderful people. They are willing to point you to RESPONSIBLE, REPUTABLE breeders that will work for you. Or you may decide later that having a puppy shipped to you is not that bad. Find a breeder you can trust. Find someone that you are willing to build a relationship with (and vice versa). Don't limit yourself geographically.

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Did you look at the Nursery page? It says, "We are looking to add 2 more Standard poodle or F1 GoldenDoodle females and 1 moyen or miniature Red Male to our breeding program." Puppy Nursery

What are you looking for exactly? I think you should make a list and maybe we can help you find a few responsible POODLE breeders that you can talk to.
You seem to have a proclivity for asking for recommendations about breeders who either also breed doodles or have been associated with doodle breeders. I fear you will never get a "thumbs up" on any of these type of breeders from your fellow poodle forum members.
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I find it odd that on their contract, they require you to keep your puppy on a certain brand of vitamin to guarantee hereditary defects. I don't understand how a vitamin can change something hereditary. If you don't keep your puppy on the vitamin the vitamin company notifies the breeder and it makes her guarantee void.
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If I have a "proclivity" toward anything it's trying to educate myself about poodle breeders, especially with regard to health issues. I have contacted or researched breeders suggested to me. I'm trying to find a small standard, color isn't that important (though I like red and apricot), in the time frame that works for my family because of work schedules, at a cost I can afford, and preferably within a 4 hour drive (so I don't have to ship puppies) . It is for these reasons that I keep investigating.
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It would be easier if color isn't that important. How small are you looking for?
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If I have a "proclivity" toward anything it's trying to educate myself about poodle breeders, especially with regard to health issues. I have contacted or researched breeders suggested to me. I'm trying to find a small standard, color isn't that important (though I like red and apricot), in the time frame that works for my family because of work schedules, at a cost I can afford, and preferably within a 4 hour drive (so I don't have to ship puppies) . It is for these reasons that I keep investigating.
I commend you for educating yourself about poodles. I hope you will take my previous post as a "heads up" that ethical breeders of poodles do not also breed poodle crosses. An ethical breeder hopes to "better" the poodle breed and this is not obtained by crossing the poodle with other breeds for the sole purpose of making money.

I read your original introductory post and I am very sorry you lost a beloved member of your family to Addisons at such a young age. I truly feel for you and I acknowledge that you wish to add a healthy poodle to your family. Please know that Addisons is a Polygenic Disease. Even breeders who test their Dam and Sire acknowledge that the test just proves that at the moment in time that the test was taken they did not have the disease. It does not guarantee that they or their offspring may develop the disease in the future. You are definitely on the right track in your search by looking for breeders who do test their breeding stock. There is more of a likelihood that a poodle from untested parents will develop health issues than one from unhealth tested parents. This is interesting reading http://www.poodlehealthregistry.org/...ch_Request.pdf

Also here is a page from the Poodle Club of Canada's website which talks about why they do not endorse Poodle Cross Breeds.

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I'm looking for about 20-22"--male or female.
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No, I can't say I'm a fan of this breeder either. Again, poodle people don't breed doodles. The majority of doodle related people are purely in it for the money, and this isn't what you want. My girls dam is 22", and it appears that my girl will wind up being about that size too, so it's possible to find a standard that size. I think one of the reasons you're finding these breeders is that you're searching for Moyen sized poodles, which is kinda controversial at the moment in the US. I'm sure you know, the moyen size isn't a "thing" in the us. I too wanted a smaller sized standard, and looked into moyens originally. There are very few decent breeders of them in the US (you may want to look into Karbit though) so most of the people breeding them, like the doodle people, are doing it for the money. A lot of time those breeders are breeding standards and minis together to get an oddly balanced mid size. When you're looking at websites, look for conformation pictures, get an eye for what conformation basics look like. Look at pedigrees, even if you don't understand what they mean, look for names repeating, and if they're on poodle pedigree database you can look up the COI too. Look for dogs who have had health testing done.
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It's fairly easy to find a 22" female. I think you can just contact some responsible breeders and let them know you are looking for a small female. Health and temperament are more important.

I was looking for a mini no more than 14" so that I could fly him in the cabin. My boy ends up to be an oversized mini (17.5") but he's healthy and fun and smart. I don't even recall size being one of the items I once had on my wish list. Size matters but I can look past it.

Also, don't exclude breeders who are 5 or even 6 hours away from you. Breeders/handlers often travel to and from shows/agility trials/vacation homes. It's not uncommon for buyers and breeders/co-breeders to meet midway or at shows. Arrangements can be made. Finding the breeder that you can trust and the dogs that you like is more important.

I'll come back with some spoo breeder names.
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