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Old 11-20-2012, 03:36 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Melody, saying show quality and red in the same sentence is very problematic. If you wish to show UKC, most of the breeders are good enough. AKC is a different story since the standard that is being rewarded for AKC dogs is not the poodle standard per se but rather a standard based upon handler relationships, grooming and color bias. My pup is showing AKC and I've been told that although she is very well put together that her color is a big deficit in getting her finished. I will continue working toward her AKC championship however it will be, I know, based on prejudices, an uphill battle. NOLA and Farley D are two who successfully finished reds in AKC. I do not believe Marquis Diamond has successfully finished a red although they do have gorgeous silvers.
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Are you willing to import from Europe? We got our girl Journey, who is magnificent, from Very Merry Poodles in the Czech Republic. You would be surprised how the money converts into US dollars. And their kennel clubs will NOT let them breed without specific tests being done and being passed.

We have a boy in Berlin, Arreaui's Morning Has Broken, who is a German Youth Champion, Federal Winner 2011 and will be a Red Cross Search and Rescue dog who has recently passed all of his testing and is being bred to select bitches over there.
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Cherie, from what I see of your Journey, yes, she is very well put together and could finish AKC. She's a beautiful apricot.The size of the European dogs is typically smaller than the typical US / Canadian red however that might be an advantage showing against the typical black.
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Thanks very much! At the present time Journey is red. We have no idea how her colour will end up, but her roots are considerably deeper than her tips. And she is not small. She is a sturdy, strongly built girl who I say is built like a brick poop house, if you catch my drift...lol! But I HIGHLY recommend Jitka Pizurova and Very Merry to anyone. She listened to exactly what I needed and narrowed it down to two girls and I chose Journey. I plan to bring another one here from her in the not too distant future.
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How exciting Cherie! Cant wait to see.. I plan to stick my toe in the UKC ring this year, excited for that..And yes the red color is definately a deterrant in the ring.. Susan Cook has beautiful silvers and she will admit she "Plays" red but has pretty reds.. I have owned one of her silvers and one of her reds...Both wonderful.. I have plans for the spring if you are interested you may contact me through PM ...
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Good luck in the UKC ring Sheryl. We are hoping to get into UKC in a big way as well. Sadly, there are not too many shows in our neck of the woods, but I so look forward to clipping Journey down and getting her out to some of their shows. And I believe if the colour was not an issue in the ring that we would be done already. We are seeing huge decreases in CKC entries and huge increases in UKC. I think it is because one can show in a pet trim in UKC.
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UKC is less political.. And it is easier to keep a sporting clip....No handlers allowed.. Only owner handled..I like that .. And I like that you can finish a dog in a weekend.... There are two year in Phoenix only 5 hours away ...
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There are 8 red standard poodles titled as AKC CH. It isn't the color that hinders us, so much as the QUALITY of the color, which has caused us to be overlooked in the conformation ring for years.

Until QUALITY Color is presented to judges, consistently, their perceptions of what they are about to see/seeing will not change.

Annie - AKC CH Antoinette Bordeaux du NOLA's Caniche Rouge is the 7th Red Standard Poodle AKC CH. I will repeat Mosie x Annie late next year.

Raquel - AKC CH Lido's Rockin Red Raquel is the 8th Red Standard Poodle AKC CH. Her breeding is planned for early 2013 I believe.

So - showing and finishing red AKC CH you have the following: NOLA Standards (and I have not placed an intact pup though I might would consider a great home on a co-own) and Lido's/Magic Castle. Farley's D has not had any red in the ring for a few years but they did breed Chelsea and Cello - the second and third red AKC CHs. Arreau's Journey has Cello in her pedigree).

Showing apricot and succesfully titling in AKC - NOLA, Lumiere, Farley's D, and Retniw (Annie's apricot pup DrewBrees - is currently in the AKC ring and doing very well towards his AKC CH).

Actively Showing in AKC though not yet titled: Patriot and Regaliz - Paul and Glen Romberger with Sunshine (I do not know their Kennel Name).

There are also some very successful reds and apricots titled in Field Work - Louter's has the only triple titled poodle - and he is red!

You can watch for AKC GRAND Champion Le Glorious Lombardi du NOLA's Caniche Rouge at the Eukenuba National Dog Show in Orlando. I know the Groups will be televised, not sure about the Breed.

Lombardi is the only apricot dog AKC Grand Champion.

Terry Farley's girl, Xena, is the only apricot bitch AKC Grand Champion.

My intent with this post is...ok - to brag a bit - the NOLA color Krewe deserves it - and to verify who IS and who is not showing color in AKC. Drama aside, it's pretty easy to call out who is invovled and who is not.

NOTE: There are quite a few titles in UKC - and they should be noted. I am not involved in UKC and can not speak with any authority regarding who is in the ring and who is not. Same goes for Canada Conformation.

Health IS a high priority of quality breeders and this (moi) show breeder in particular. Afterall, most pups are placed in pet homes to be family members and what I hope and plan for them is great long healthy loving lifes.

All of the color breeders I mentioned are involved in the breed, members of All Breed Clubs and they are all testing and doing so repeatedly.

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PSS As Cavon stated - and to steal from a bumper sticker " A well rounded dog has a title on both ends!" Bardi will get his CGC once he is finished his show career and Annie has 2 legs towards her AKC CA Title. I DO think titles should be on both ends. I will also say that conformation is as intensive as field work. An owner who can do both deserves Kudos!
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As a fairly new (4 years) Owner/Breeder/Handler in the AKC world, i would personally recommend to someone new who wants to show standards, stick with getting a nice black male first from a well known kennel (type) Then once you've been out there in the ring, introduce a color but make sure its REALLY good!!! Learn what the judges like/don't like that judge a lot in your area of the country as well. Get a good mentor first, be it an owner handler, Pro handler or long time breeder of many AKC champions. Multiple mentors are good, I have several of all of them. They have provided valuable information you can't get from any book. Their experience is invaluable.
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