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jak · 09-03-2010, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ArreauStandardPoodle

If I sm not mistaken, this is called the "Poodle Forum". What would you do, Jak, Thestars, if someone contacted you, out of the blue, nearly in tears, having grieved for a month, because they lost a twenty month old puppy? Their vet claimed to believe it died of Lupus or another auto immune disease. I am a breeder, and am not sure exactly what the breeder should be doing for this couple- refund their money, seeing as the pup had a reaction to its first shot- refund half the money because they bought the puppy KNOWING it had a reaction to its first shot- offer to replace the puppy from unrelated ancestry... So, I came here, as most of us do, with a query. We do that. For health questions, for grooming questions, for behaviour questions, for breeder queries, for advice on contracts, etc. THAT IS WHAT I AM DOING!

It is very amusing to me that this very breeder has been brought up on here time and time again by others, but because I ask a question in connection to them having sold a pup that died at twenty months old, without mentioning the kennel name, knowing the owners story, suddenly advice should not be sought here, on this "Poodle Forum". If the breeder had given them some satisfaction, they would likely have just contacted me looking for a puppy to fill the hole in their hearts. But, because their breeder is running hot and cold with them, not taking phone calls and only responding when they choose to to emails, on top oof the loss these people are facing personally and financially, they are frustrated beyond measure. I can easily lead them to an ethical breeder to get a replacement puppy no problem. But with regard to the other aspects, I am seeking advice on their behalf, which I believe I have a right to do.

As for me responding to PM's...would you like me to lie?

OMG...
here we go again...
making it into something it's not

ArreauStandardPoodle · 09-03-2010, 03:17 AM

seriously???

I have been accused of posting this thread for "sensationalism". Nope, not making it something it is not!!!!

jak · 09-03-2010, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ArreauStandardPoodle

seriously???

Yes, because I see absolutely no need to get worked up, and makes things personal about you again

Jean said nothing inflammatory or rude ?

Especially when you quoted my name ? when I was replying to a comment that Ora said ?

Winnow · 09-03-2010, 03:41 AM

Well I am not sure how its done in America but here in Iceland you buy a dog knowing its a life creature who can at any moment die, just like you and I.

Some breeders give the owner a new puppy but I think that is not common.

We had a Labrador who died of a heart attack when he was 10 months old.
We did not ask for a new dog or a refund, we told the breeder about this. S**t happens you just go on with your life.

Dogs die thats a fact we always hope that they live a long and happy life but sometimes that is not the case. You buy your dog knowing this and its not the breeders fault if the dog dies.

Not unless he has been withholding some info on the dogs health status. But in this case the owner of the dog knew about the bad reaction to the shots.

You can get auto immune diseases with out having any in you family, and they come out of nowhere, I have been healthy all my life until I got 24 then all of a sudden I am very sick from all kinds of auto immune diseases.

Just saying that dogs are live animals.. And they are hard to guarantee.
Thats why I sell my dogs with live and health insurance. That way if anything happens the owner seeks there claim from the insurance company not me.

Of course I am very sorry for the owners loss, but this comes with owning a live animal, they die.

jak · 09-03-2010, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ArreauStandardPoodle

I have been accused of posting this thread for "sensationalism". Nope, not making it something it is not!!!!

Really ?

Then why was my name quoted? I was replying to Ora's comment

Very good points Winnow.

fjm · 09-03-2010, 04:01 AM

I am interested in Winnow's point about insurance. In the UK it would be extremely unusual to buy a KC registered pup that did not come with 4 or 6 weeks free insurance - the insurance companies have breeder schemes that are free, and the Kennel Club offers a period of free insurance on registration, in the hope of hooking the new puppy owner. It is then the owner's responsibility to insure their new dog, either by continuing the existing insurance, or choosing a new policy. Personally I would always keep up a high level of insurance for at least the first few years, in case anything cropped up.

Winnow · 09-03-2010, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by fjm

I am interested in Winnow's point about insurance. In the UK it would be extremely unusual to buy a KC registered pup that did not come with 4 or 6 weeks free insurance - the insurance companies have breeder schemes that are free, and the Kennel Club offers a period of free insurance on registration, in the hope of hooking the new puppy owner. It is then the owner's responsibility to insure their new dog, either by continuing the existing insurance, or choosing a new policy. Personally I would always keep up a high level of insurance for at least the first few years, in case anything cropped up.

All my pups come with a life and health insurance for the first year. Then the owner can take over or move the insurance to another company.

I like this since dogs tend to be more prone to accidents in there puppy hood.

I don´t give any health guarantees. I feel that its not possible I would have to be god to guarantee that the dog would not get sick.

thestars · 09-03-2010, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ArreauStandardPoodle

If I sm not mistaken, this is called the "Poodle Forum". What would you do, Jak, Thestars, if someone contacted you, out of the blue, nearly in tears, having grieved for a month, because they lost a twenty month old puppy? Their vet claimed to believe it died of Lupus or another auto immune disease. I am a breeder, and am not sure exactly what the breeder should be doing for this couple- refund their money, seeing as the pup had a reaction to its first shot- refund half the money because they bought the puppy KNOWING it had a reaction to its first shot- offer to replace the puppy from unrelated ancestry... So, I came here, as most of us do, with a query. We do that. For health questions, for grooming questions, for behaviour questions, for breeder queries, for advice on contracts, etc. THAT IS WHAT I AM DOING!

It is very amusing to me that this very breeder has been brought up on here time and time again by others, but because I ask a question in connection to them having sold a pup that died at twenty months old, without mentioning the kennel name, knowing the owners story, suddenly advice should not be sought here, on this "Poodle Forum". If the breeder had given them some satisfaction, they would likely have just contacted me looking for a puppy to fill the hole in their hearts. But, because their breeder is running hot and cold with them, not taking phone calls and only responding when they choose to to emails, on top oof the loss these people are facing personally and financially, they are frustrated beyond measure. I can easily lead them to an ethical breeder to get a replacement puppy no problem. But with regard to the other aspects, I am seeking advice on their behalf, which I believe I have a right to do.

As for me responding to PM's...would you like me to lie?

If someone contacted me and I have had this happen already, I help the person handle it privately. Why because I have not heard the breeders side of the story, she is emotionally charged and looking for sympathy. Jumping to conclusions based on one crying woman's story is irresponsible. You could have taken the initiative as anyone on this forum that PM'd you for the name of the breeder, to contact this breeder yourself and assist this lady if you felt the need.

Winnow, you are correct, we are gods living creatures and at any moment in time something can change and we find ourselves in a situation we would never have expected that is life altering.

As for sensationalizing this topic, you betcha this is the case. Sensationalizing is presenting information about something in a way that provokes public interest and excitement, at the expense of accuracy. A dictionary definition is; To cast and present in a manner intended to arouse strong interest, especially through inclusion of exaggerated or lurid details.

The story was fed into the forum to arouse talk and continued it even through PMs. As for it being gossip, it is definitely that. People feel the power when they have something juicy to say about someone else. We didn't have to know exactly who was the intended because we assume based on knowledge of the speaker.

Is there anyone one out there that got the name and did anything other then complain about this breeder. I'm disappointed that in this poodle community of for the most part good intentioned people that no one tried to resolve this situation in a private and fair manner. It's rather sad.

ArreauStandardPoodle · 09-03-2010, 04:59 AM

You know Jean, I think it is fantastic that you are now a mind reader too, and KNOW someone elses intents and purposes for everything they post, say and do!

For your information, the thread was meant as I said it was. I have already referred this woman to another breeder, so she will be getting a new puppy shortly. The query and reason for this post was: What should the breeder do too compensate this couple? THAT was the intent of the thread and that is the purpose of this thread. Not to have you berate me again, and to try to find fault in something else I have done. Thank you.

**plumcrazy** · 09-03-2010, 05:29 AM

I've read this entire thread - several times... and I find that the topic of the thread is that a puppy died young, and the distraught owners have had little luck communicating with the breeder, so have contacted other breeders to share their sorrow and confusion.

The question was asked of this community, "what do you all think is fair?" on the continued responsibility of the breeder to a pupppy he/she bred and sold.

The breeder of the deceased puppy has not been publically mentioned on this thread, however, if a member wishes to know the identity so they can make a decision whether or not to patronize this breeder in the future - that is what private messages are for. This would not be the first time a breeder is discussed through private messages... am I wrong??

All I want to see discussed on this thread is member opinions on breeder responsibilities for communicating/recompensing their puppy clients when tragedies occur - and keep it hypothetical... this could pertain to ANY breeder's responsibilities to clients, not just the anonymous breeder discussed here. Any further discussion off topic will result in the closing of the thread and PMs sent to the people responsible.

So... back on topic please! Thank you.

Barb

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