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Old 05-16-2010, 12:01 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Can someone tell me what a health guarantee is ?

I sold my pups with a health and life insurance for the first year.
But there is no way I can guarantee there health.
Although there parents are healthy and the grand parents and there great grand parents.

What do you do if a pup gets sick with a health guarantee, do you put the dog down and offer them a new one ?
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Can someone tell me what a health guarantee is ?

I sold my pups with a health and life insurance for the first year.
But there is no way I can guarantee there health.
Although there parents are healthy and the grand parents and there great grand parents.

What do you do if a pup gets sick with a health guarantee, do you put the dog down and offer them a new one ?
I've seen different situations

1 - the breeder takes the pup back at the buyers expense. Most buyers do not want to give their new pups back because they have grown attached.
2 -the breeder replaces with one from a future litter.
3 - some monies are refunded.

A lot of times this depends on what is in the contract as guaranteed. Some only guarantee on what the dogs are tested for.

I think tinlet has some valid points. The industry does seem to expect to have a guarantee on health.

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I've seen different situations

1 - the breeder takes the pup back at the buyers expense. Most buyers do not want to give their new pups back because they have grown attached.
2 -the breeder replaces with one from a future litter.
3 - some monies are refunded.

A lot of times this depends on what is in the contract as guaranteed. Some only guarantee on what the dogs are tested for.

I think tinlet has some valid points. The industry does seem to expect to have a guarantee on health.
We don't have this in Iceland.

Just the life and health insurance from an insurance company so you only have to pay a small fee every year to keep the insurance valid.
And if the dog dies then you get the money you paid for the dog back.
Or if the dog gets sicke you will only page a small precent for the hospital fees.
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Here's a bit from a British Retriever breeder's (judge) sample contract.

" The Buyer having examined certificates in respect of Hereditary Eye Diseases, Hip Dysplasia and other such documents as may be available applicable to the parents of the above puppy, as issued by a qualified veterinary surgeon, accepts that such certificates do not in any way constitute a Warranty, but are purely the opinion given at the time of examination by the veterinary surgeon, as the said puppy, being a living creature, cannot carry a guarantee that could be applicable to an inanimate object." (my bold face here)


Yadda, yadda, yadda....Then it says........

"The Seller agrees that, on being notified of any problem, the Buyer may return the puppy within one calender month from the date of purchase, providing the Buyer presents a veterinary surgeon's certificate stating that the puppy was suffering from a condition that was to the detriment at the time of purchase. Given such circumstances the Seller will be responsible for the vet's fee."

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I think selling pups with prepaid healthy insurance for the first year is an excellent way to help new puppy owners deal with first health issues should they arise. I'll look into it for the future pups. Unfortunately in this country, certain animal political groups want to make breeders responsible for everything that could possibly happen to the dog for the rest of its life instead of objectively looking at the many of factors effecting health of our dogs in a very polluted environment.

For example, active hunting dogs have a high rate of seizures and researchers are beginning to suspect that inhaling the residue of chemicals used in the fields where the dog's hunt in the fall may be the cause.
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I think selling pups with prepaid healthy insurance for the first year is an excellent way to help new puppy owners deal with first health issues should they arise. I'll look into it for the future pups. Unfortunately in this country, certain animal political groups want to make breeders responsible for everything that could possibly happen to the dog for the rest of its life instead of objectively looking at the many of factors effecting health of our dogs in a very polluted environment.

For example, active hunting dogs have a high rate of seizures and researchers are beginning to suspect that inhaling the residue of chemicals used in the fields where the dog's hunt in the fall may be the cause.
it is impossible to put a guarantee on a dog just like it was a TV or something!
I would go with the insurance if that is possible.
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[QUOTE]=tintlet;90577]I don't have a problem with placing dogs..but I do get too picky and am sure I overlook some great homes. and Some great homes just are not in this price range.[/QUOTE]


Have you considered either offering a payment plan for those great homes, or even lowering the price for them? Is there a reason why this wouldn't be feasable?
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To me a warranty means only one thing - dedication of a breeder to his /her program and ALL puppies produced.

As much as I look into a warranty part , I also look at "taking dog back any time with no questions asked (without a refund, of course) . To me, as a buyer, it means that breeder "cares about puppy" for life - no matter what. That only can come from real love and complete dedication to the breeding program and very selective and limited breeding
VERY NICELY PUT...If you are proud of Breeding Poodles and you seem to be doing it right, why wouldnt you want to continue offering a great waranty, no matter what you are charging. Being responsible for your offspring is what any breeder should have in mind. Getting feedback is what keeps us breeding.

Wouldn't you want to assist those with one of your pups? In any way you could if issues arise?
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VERY NICELY PUT...If you are proud of Breeding Poodles and you seem to be doing it right, why wouldnt you want to continue offering a great waranty, no matter what you are charging. Being responsible for your offspring is what any breeder should have in mind. Getting feedback is what keeps us breeding.

Wouldn't you want to assist those with one of your pups? In any way you could if issues arise?
Too know Gloria is to love her dedication to this breed. She has much pride and stays in close contact with her poodle family. I dont think that is the question here. She is considering the perspective buyers based off of a lot of information provided here and weighing out what is most important.

Money is clearly not the motivation factor here either as she is considering lowering the price - all testing remains the same. She has never refunded for a sick puppy so her statistics allowed her to look at other options to meet the needs of the average buyer. I am sure this is still on the table.
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Have you considered either offering a payment plan for those great homes, or even lowering the price for them? Is there a reason why this wouldn't be feasable?

I sold a puppy on payment once and it was nothing but heartache. Payments stopped almost right away and I had to go and get the puppy back. Never again!
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