*heather*

I was browsing through a website of a breeder in my area last night and the longer I read, the more I found myself shaking my head and kinda wondering if these people were for real! any thoughts? Here are some examples of things that kinda made me go, "huh?"

"Born on our leather sofa, right in the comfort of our living room, our dogs are socialized from day one..." that's kinda gross

"Our poodles are bred to our personal standards. We do not breed for what is popular today, rather for what we think are the best qualities of the standard poodle--and we always will." wow, who made them the experts?! and what about breed standard?

"Our puppies are given constant supervision 24 hours a day for the first 3 weeks of their life." kinda hard to believe isn't it? they currently have puppies from 4 or 5 different litters! that's a lot of pups to be watching 24/7

"A puppy trained not to bark, bite too hard, or jump up". whatever!?


"A puppy handled every 15 minutes 7 days a week for the first 3 weeks of their life." SERIOUSLY! do people actually believe this crap?! wow

There is no mention (that I could find) about any health testing on their breeding stock. Big red flag in my opinion. Also, they don't groom puppies faces prior to sending them home, but they do perform spay and neuter BEFORE pups go home (Pediatric spay/neuter) ...
what's ironic to me as well, is that the TV show "Animal Planet" was there to film a documentary a few months ago... so the general public is being told these are good people to get a puppy from (with NO Health testing!)
Their Red Standards are priced at $2600. This is a pet quality puppy!
Nuts if you ask me

thestars

You must be talking about Pendragon Poodles in regards to price. The darker the red the higher the value since that is what most people are demanding a dark red puppy. Typically the request is for "a Dark Red Female." If people are willing to buy then that's the going rate.

As for pediatric Spay/Neuter, that ensures that puppy is not going to be used in any breeding program, you buy it as a pet why not have the deed done so you don't have to pay for it in the next few months yourself. That's a several hundred dollar expense that you won't have to pay for thus you can put that money in getting a better quality pet. Some problems with just supplying a Limited Registration;
1. people that breed "oodles" don't' care about limited registration
2. people that breed "purebred no papers" do not care about limited registration
3. people use papers from another poodle to "paper" the puppy they bought from you will not care about papers. YES, it happens!
It helps prevent the brokers out there from obtaining a pup used in designer breeding or backyard breeding. I'm sure you've seen those type of horrors on TV and these forums. Would you care to see Rogan babies all over your local area mixed bred so you can't sell your Quality poodles? Cause you know that people will look at the price of a dog. They have a particular price point they won't pay over. What would you tell the potential customer that wants to stud your Red poodle to their Lab or another breed? It helps keep the supply and demand equal too. If everyone out there had the capability to breed then you'd get Poodles all over of low quality health and more would be seen in shelters.

As for grooming the puppies faces before they go home, that is a choice. I prefer to do it and love the clean shaved face but then you have the requests to keep the fluffy face. My Husband loves the cute poodle puppy faces, he rather not have their faces shaved down then they look like adults to fast. Also, you have to work and train those little squiggly puppies to get them groomed. Some are more easier then others. Also, more people are asking for undocked tails. Someone from England correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it is now out-lawed in England unless you can show proof that this will be a working dog. So there is choices for people. Exactly what we the people ask for; the freedom to choose what we want. We can't protect all the gullible or naive people from making the wrong choice in breeding or buying the "right" poodle.

*heather*

thestars, I have a lot of respect for you and the knowledge you have in the poodle world! I am so completely out of my league here, but I'll give it a shot

my biggest concern is the lack of adherence to breed standard. doesn't this bother you just a touch? I'm new to this whole poodle thing, so maybe I'm out of line, but still, I just think this could really cause a lot of problems down the road. And no health testing?
I sent her an email asking specifically about what tests they run, and her response was to call her and we could talk about it! maybe there are tests they run and she wanted to explain that to me in more detail, but why not just answer my question, makes me wonder.

pediatric Spay/Neuter - from what I know, this can affect proper growth and is not ideal for the health of the puppy. I realize this prevents people from breeding doodles and unregistered litters etc, but should the health of the dog really be compromised to accomplish this?

What would you tell the potential customer that wants to stud your Red poodle to their Lab or another breed? - I would tell them NO, it's not an option.

Also, you have to work and train those little squiggly puppies to get them groomed. - isn't this a good reason to start early, make it a touch easier on the new owners? I guess I just feel that they can take the time and energy to spay/neuter then certainly they could take the time to get them used to clippers and being handled for grooming.

I'm a big fan of un-docked tails

I'm going to stop there, I need to learn to keep my mouth shut, I don't want to step on toes ... I'm really just trying to learn as much as I can... and what I saw here was just a little surprising to me, that's all...

thestars

Never stop learning nor don't keep your mouth shut, if people don't speak up then change will never happen. If these particular breeders see and hear what others have to say then they may change their ways and others wanting to learn about the breed may not benefit from learning. Just be careful of defamatory remarks they can be used against you in a court of law. They should also have the opportunity to defend what they say or do.

PonkiPoodles

Sometimes breeders dock not because it's their own personal preference but because of what the public demand is.
By this I mean... I know in the doberman world a lot of breeders crop and dock their dogs because if an owner can no longer keep the doberman studies show that people would rather adopt a cropped and docked dog before they adopt a dog that is all natural. Thus a cropped and docked dog has a better chance at being rehomed than a dog that isn't.

mercymoon

LOL Born on leather sofa got me! My grandpa's girlfriend's Chi had her pups in the middle of the night in the bed with THEM...now that is gross, yuck!

Poodle Lover

Heather,

You didn't step on anyone's toes and you shouldn't keep your mouth shut. I am not sure who the breeder is, but if they breed their super expensive puppies without health testing them, I would run and fast!!! I also don't get breeding to their own standard.....I can't believe people actually fall for that!

Purple Poodle

Not to go off in another direction but thats kind of a cop out if you ask me. The real reason they won't go natural is because the ears will rose and the tails will curl up over the back thus looking nothing like a Dobie.

Anyway there are a lot of "breeder" out there who will do and say anything to try and doop people into buying a puppy.

Bella's Momma

I have to say when it said puppies are touched every 15 minute I envisioned them being turned a little like eggs. LOL.

Poodle Lover

Ha, ha, ha!!!! ROTFL