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Old 11-23-2012, 11:45 AM   #81 (permalink)
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Excuse me, but I did not "demand" answers...I very politely gave her my personal observations about her puppies, said I had heard others claiming that the puppies were painted, and asked her to explain what was going on. I thanked her several times for her time, and even complimented her dogs because yes, they are gorgeous. I could understand her seeming a little irritated or bitchy, but she was downright ugly to me, a person she doesn't know and who has given her no trouble. I gave her absolutely no reason to be ugly the way she was.

I understand that you are feeling defensive of your breeder. I would too. But you don't know how I was towards Ora, and therefore to assume I was somehow demanding something from her just isn't right.
First of all....I never singled you out. I am making a general statement to anyone that does this - you are not alone. Re-read what I wrote Also - you don't know what's been shared with me from Ora.... just sayin...LOL

Seriously, I will say this. I deleted and unsubscribed to many "poodle" pages on FB months ago and have been staying as far as I can from this insanity that has been going on. I have enough in my life I just don't have the time...and I am NOT investing time in gossip and speculation. I like sharing facts. Facts are what teach me and I have no issue repeating.

Also - I will NOT defend all "things" a person does because they are my friend or my breeder (or family member for that matter). Why? Because people I respect or care for make dumb mistakes or say things that piss others off AND things I don't always agree with. What I will do is share my truth. That is what I am doing.
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:10 PM   #82 (permalink)
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First of all....I never singled you out. I am making a general statement to anyone that does this - you are not alone. Re-read what I wrote Also - you don't know what's been shared with me from Ora.... just sayin...LOL.

Yes you kind of did, I'm the only person on here who admitted to contacting her. And no, I don't know what you and Ora have talked about, I don't think I ever said or implied that I did. FYI, I did reread what you wrote, several times, before posting.

Thanks roulette for sharing your experience with puppies and pigmentation. I've been trying to find that sort of answer for some days now! It's good to know that puppies can indeed go from having pink points to jet black ones in a few days. All the white puppies I've ever had contact with took a few weeks to fully develop pigmentation.

Anyways, I've gotten all the education I can from this thread so...
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:30 PM   #83 (permalink)
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blergh. this thread needs to die.
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Your assumption that show breeders breed for looks only and produce more health issues than non show breeders...is a HUGE generalization....!

It's saddening to me that you are so jaded from a bad experience that you are generalizing it to all show breeders. Health issues happen - in show lines and in pet lines. Just because you had an experience with an unhealthy dog from show lines does not mean that show breeders represent a greater amount of health issues.

Health issues happen even when breeders (show, pet, and everything in between) do everything in their power to breed healthy, well rounded, structurally and temperamentally sound poodles. This is something we all have to accept.

Health issues also happen when breeders do not take advantage such of knowledge and tools that help breed healthy poodles. Irresponsible breeding happens just as much among non-show breeders as it does among show breeders. Showing does not imply that a breeder is any less likely to be taking health, temperament, the whole big picture into account. You have had a bad experience but your generalization is not fair. There are many, many show breeders who put temperament and health far before looks.
My simple thanks wasn't enough, this post needs to be blown up and posted EVERYWHERE on this forum! CM, Liz, you are going to be an AMAZING breeder one day because you have the ability and intelligence to see all of these things in a dog. I'm excited for everything that you will accomplish and have already accomplished!
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:10 PM   #85 (permalink)
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I have no idea who any of these breeders are, the only thing I've learned from this thread is that Canadians really DO have a mean side! Who knew.
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I have no idea who any of these breeders are, the only thing I've learned from this thread is that Canadians really DO have a mean side! Who knew.
/raiseshand...they're mean sides a bit more subtle, being "neutral" will do that to a population ;D
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I have no idea who any of these breeders are, the only thing I've learned from this thread is that Canadians really DO have a mean side! Who knew.
OK ... that's kinda mean right there!
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I find Canadians very interesting and fun :-). maybe I'm a bit biased because my Mother is from Canada..we're the Norsky variety ;-)
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Unrelated, what does being neutral refer to in regards to being Canadian? lol
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Unrelated, what does being neutral refer to in regards to being Canadian? lol
Lol, that's what I was wondering! We've got more sides than a circle; but I guess you could say we are KIND of like Switzerland if you count speaking French and great skiing. When we cuss people out, we try to utiliser le français Or, er, not to generalize ...so maybe that's just me
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