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Old 11-21-2012, 06:07 AM   #61 (permalink)
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And yet you leave such a ridiculously rude comment, turkeys pecking at dirt? Really?

This thread is absolutely crazy. If you don't like what someone has said, then just say so, you don't have to find a crazy elaborate way to insult the person/people.

If the best you can do to disarm a person is call them names (others, in earlier posts), or make up anecdotes about turkeys I think you need to seriously consider tweaking the finer points of your arguments.
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Wow Chagall's Mom!

I had no idea you found education so distasteful. If I knew that exposure to this topic would bother you so close to your Turkey Day I would have waited to post the pictures. Please accept my apologies and I hope you are feeling better soon.

So sorry to make you think I was implying or hurling anything. I much prefer to blurt it right out. You know, like calling a spade a spade.

Feel free to challenge my argument and logic. That is what discussion is/should be all about.

I agree that the dishonesty of cruelly poisoning small innocent puppies for no known purpose is below cowardly, distasteful and underhanded. This behaviour is so low I do not even know if there is a name for it but I wish she would stop painting/dyeing her puppies. There is also pictures of the fathers nose being painted and I am clearly stating she lied about that. What is the purpose of the lie?

There should not be a need for this type of deception when breeding poodles - ever. How do you suggest we stop these practices?
There has been no attempt at education in this thread. It is a witch hunt plain and simple. One breeder has an axe to grind with another from their Poodle Club of Canada days and has found an outlet in which that breeder cannot defend herself because of a previous argument between the two that resulted in a banning from the forum. AND that is calling a spade a spade.

Once again we see that the breeding world is not a place for the faint of heart

I do find it interesting that anyone would express such outrage at the Turkey remark, but that no outrage was expressed at the following terms or phrases used elsewhere in this post as a direct reference to someone:

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child abuser or a paedophile (I've left the spelling incorrect as in the original post)

It seems that what words or phrases are acceptable is relevant.

Sort of like the concern of a turkey bearing a tag with the number 100 in the days before Thanksgiving. What is acceptable becomes dramatically different when said turkey hears number 99 being called by the farmer.
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Old 11-21-2012, 06:07 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Are you friends with Lucy Tyler on FB? She has a litter of eleven whites sired by Ora's male Cole. She has been posting photos of the litter since their first moments on earth. If you could get over and look at her photos it would be a good education. Her page is also- as it exposes the stud dog owner in a totally different light to how she attempts to present herself.
Thank you so much. I had heard about the issues between those two but didn't know Lucy's name. I will hop over and take a look.
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There has been no attempt at education in this thread. It is a witch hunt plain and simple. One breeder has an axe to grind with another from their Poodle Club of Canada days and has found an outlet in which that breeder cannot defend herself because of a previous argument between the two that resulted in a banning from the forum. AND that is calling a spade a spade.

Once again we see that the breeding world is not a place for the faint of heart

I do find it interesting that anyone would express such outrage at the Turkey remark, but that no outrage was expressed at the following terms or phrases used elsewhere in this post as a direct reference to someone:

greeder
asshat
child abuser or a paedophile (I've left the spelling incorrect as in the original post)

It seems that what words or phrases are acceptable is relevant.

Sort of like the concern of a turkey bearing a tag with the number 100 in the days before Thanksgiving. What is acceptable becomes dramatically different when said turkey hears number 99 being called by the farmer.
Did you read it? I said "name calling (in previous posts), as in all the posts that had come before. I am not going to quote everything individually. You're right this is not for the faint of heart, but I don't understand why this place turns into such a battleground all the time.
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Old 11-21-2012, 07:02 AM   #64 (permalink)
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In trying to figure out the understory I think I have it figured out. A breeder of white/creams bred to the said breeders boy. He has a painted nose. She didn't know it? It's not like the picture of the touch ups for the show were hidden. It's done out in the open all the time. EXCEPT, said boy has produced Sabaceous Adenitis, which was not disclosed to the bitches owner, but told to her by someone else. A picture was posted of the dog with Sebaceous Adenitis. The current litter will apparently not be registered because of that. People got mad at the sires owner for not disclosing the SA to the bitches owner and someone noticed a puppy with a painted nose on the sire's breeders facebook. They latched onto that as another deception from sire's owner. In addition, the bitch had a huge litter of 11 puppies and the bitch required a C-section and spay, which can hardly be the sires fault, but was a disappointment to the dams owner. She now has a litter of 11 (very black nosed) puppies that need homes and aren't going to be registered or continue her line plus she is out a whole lotta money. She's ticked.

A fading nose in a sire is hardly a thing to worry about; what a very minor issue! A pink nose in a puppy is certainly not a big deal eaither - come on, it's a frickin' nose color. Sebaceous Adenitis is a WHOLE other ball of wax. Any dog that produces SA should immediately be neutered even if they think that came from the dam. I am sure there were lots of pointed fingers in that. Sometimes stuff happens. Any dog that is bred to many bitches will eventually produce something undesireable, but one pup with SA should be the last produced by that dog and bitch. That is what is truly deceptive here, not the darned nose. Who cares about the nose?

I don't understand why this painting a nose black is a bigger deal than the breeding of a dog that produced SA. Perhaps the sires owner felt the SA came from the dam of that litter, but honestly ALL these purely show dog lines have the capacity to produce any number of poodle diseases.

Do I have it right?

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I have no dog in this fight (pun intended), but many years ago I bred champion maltese. The litters were from champ females to champ males.

It was usual to have the pups born with pink points....maybe a black 'freckle' on a couple of pups noses or feet pads. These pups got their points faster than those that had a solid pink. However, by 3 weeks old, you could clearly see that all the pups would have black points at one degree or another. But not covered in black...some would take 5 to 6 weeks, others that were slower maybe up to 4 months. It just varied.

I purchased a white schnauzer from a breeder that showed APRI, and the parents and grandparents were health tested. When I got her at 9 weeks, all her points were in except 1/2 of a lower lid....now she is 3, and all her points are very black....

Sometimes it just takes longer than others....but according to the pictures represented, I have never seen such a young puppy that had points that black....I am not saying it could never happen, just saying that in my experience, I have not seen a young puppy's points that black.....JMO..

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I wonder then if more breeders should be exposed like this...by releasing the mass of emails saved by a smart lil "creep" to the general public since we're all so comfortable with it
You crack me up !!!!
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There has been no attempt at education in this thread.
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Dear Cavon;

If nothing else you have learned that Canadian language follows the British and we spell paedophile traditionally. VBG

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I think you may have been educated against your wishes!
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oh good lord. this whole thread is ridiculous on both sides of the fence.
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If nothing else you have learned that Canadian language follows the British and we spell paedophile traditionally. VBG

Education defined: An instructive or enlightening experience

I think you may have been educated against your wishes!
LOL I received an email asking for a 'cheque' from a Canadian for a DLA test. I thought for a moment the person was somewhat illiterate and then remembered that Canadians do spell differently even if we are similar in many things.
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In trying to figure out the understory I think I have it figured out. A breeder of white/creams bred to the said breeders boy. He has a painted nose. She didn't know it? It's not like the picture of the touch ups for the show were hidden. It's done out in the open all the time. EXCEPT, said boy has produced Sabaceous Adenitis, which was not disclosed to the bitches owner, but told to her by someone else. A picture was posted of the dog with Sebaceous Adenitis. The current litter will apparently not be registered because of that. People got mad at the sires owner for not disclosing the SA to the bitches owner and someone noticed a puppy with a painted nose on the sire's breeders facebook. They latched onto that as another deception from sire's owner. In addition, the bitch had a huge litter of 11 puppies and the bitch required a C-section and spay, which can hardly be the sires fault, but was a disappointment to the dams owner. She now has a litter of 11 (very black nosed) puppies that need homes and aren't going to be registered or continue her line plus she is out a whole lotta money. She's ticked.

A fading nose in a sire is hardly a thing to worry about; what a very minor issue! A pink nose in a puppy is certainly not a big deal eaither - come on, it's a frickin' nose color. Sebaceous Adenitis is a WHOLE other ball of wax. Any dog that produces SA should immediately be neutered even if they think that came from the dam. I am sure there were lots of pointed fingers in that. Sometimes stuff happens. Any dog that is bred to many bitches will eventually produce something undesireable, but one pup with SA should be the last produced by that dog and bitch. That is what is truly deceptive here, not the darned nose. Who cares about the nose?

I don't understand why this painting a nose black is a bigger deal than the breeding of a dog that produced SA. Perhaps the sires owner felt the SA came from the dam of that litter, but honestly ALL these purely show dog lines have the capacity to produce any number of poodle diseases.

Do I have it right?
It's just a big mess between the two breeders, Ouwest. I think its best to stay out of it all. There is so much more than meets the eye. Frankly, I'm disappointed it has been brought to this forum.

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but honestly ALL these purely show dog lines have the capacity to produce any number of poodle diseases.
Are you implying that show bred dogs have a greater capacity to produce any number of poodle diseases than non show bred?

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