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Old 05-05-2012, 01:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Preloved | apricot standard poodle puppies for sale in Ipswich, Suffolk, UK

Everyone I've asked says that little dark puppy is not red, it's apricot. And yet the breeder is selling it as red for 200 extra! I messaged the seller about it and this was the response!

"I sent pics of puppy to the Kennel club before I sadvertised her as red and they confirmed her as red. The sire has now thrown red puppies as well as brown and why worry about it.... I've sold her to a family and they were not worried at all about her colour ...unlike you."

I checked their pedigree, and there are NO reds in it. It's mostly Canen dogs (blacks, whites, creams, browns). The sire is cream (some apricot further back on sire's side), dam is apricot (with lots of apricots on her father's side but NO reds in the pedigree)
And no, the sire has not "thrown red puppies" according to phr. Just cream, apricot, silver and black. He has no reds in his pedigree either...
so that puppy is registered as red with the Kennel Club. Won't that mess things up a bit!
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Pic #3? What IS that? Seriously?
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Pic #3? What IS that? Seriously?
I think that's the "apricot" mother?
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Everyone I've asked says that little dark puppy is not red, it's apricot. And yet the breeder is selling it as red for 200 extra! I messaged the seller about it and this was the response!
I wouldn't necessarily go by a photograph as the camera doesn't always reproduce reddish colours on dogs accurately. I can't see any links to the pedigree on that site, but from what you have said I suspect the puppy would be apricot and not red. To be red, a dog needs to have red in its ancestry. That was why Palmares and Shangri-La had to reintroduce red into standards from miniatures after the gene went missing during the Second World War (the Holocaust involved dogs as well as humans). Barring an extremely unlikely chance mutation, red won't appear spontaneously in dogs with no red in their line.

If you're specifically looking for a red puppy, I would personally avoid one from this mating, even if it were red, if its father has sired silver, as this suggests there are clearing genes in the ancestors and the puppy could lose its colour when it grows up. The only breeders I currently know of who have bred bona fide reds in the UK are Cachucha and Itzapromise.
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Umm... listed on PreLoved, comes with a 'family history certificate" ... doubt this pup will be having a major influence on future breeding lines, somehow.
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I think that's the "apricot" mother?
The clip is hideous, if I get to say that.
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I don't think the "clip" was the photo shoot clip. Just looks like a poodle not recently groomed, that's all, and well, you can say it --- but what for? Don't see what that adds to the discussion.
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I guess I would have to tell the breeder it mattered about $200 worth to me...
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I guess I would have to tell the breeder it mattered about $200 worth to me...
My comment was directed at the member's critique of the dog's clip. I just did not see what that added --- I was not responding to any monetary issue regarding the pups.
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liljaker, I was not making a comment about your comment. I thought this post was about paying $200 more for a red and then it not being a red. I guess I need to go read it again.
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