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Old 07-08-2013, 06:17 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I thought I would look at the Bijou website. I found this at the bottom of her site. It this statement used by other breeders as well. This would make me think that there is a problem.

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I dunno, as I commented earlier in this thread when it was brought up, it is legally correct and it can happen. I guess word to the wise. Heck, I'd rather have a breeder remind you of what is legally correct rather than go on and on about their religious beliefs. Just me....... maybe because I worked for lawyers for around 16 years that does not make me blink an eye.

And, the CEO of my current company has another company dealing with reputation management and it is a much bigger issue than you can imagine. And, it rarely has anything to do with the allegations being right or wrong, since any allegations out on the internet can hurt a reputation even if false, and be subject to litigation.
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I like this ... too bad more people don't agree
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I thought I would look at the Bijou website. I found this at the bottom of her site. It this statement used by other breeders as well. This would make me think that there is a problem.

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nor will we knowingly place a puppy to anyone engaged in such amoral, unethical and illegal behaviour.
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I mentioned this on another thread. While it may be legally correct that you can be sued for making certain kinds of statements, there is absolutely no way that I would choose to do business with a firm or an individual that tells people that they might want to litigate. I definitely think it sounds like there have been problems. Big red flag. I think they have some fabulous info on their site, but there is no way under the sun that would I do business with anyone who has a warning like that on their web site. I have never seen this kind of warning on any other breeder's web site. Interesting that liljaker has a very different take on this. That's what I love about PF. We all come with different backgrounds and different opinions.
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peppersb: We do all have different backgrounds and experiences, for sure. I would never consider it a "red flag" when someone reiterates a disclaimer like that. Reputation is a very valuable asset to a business -- any kind of business. And, as we have seen on PF, it's easy for people to just criticize and make accusations (and I am not using this thread as an example by the way) just because they heard this or that, or feel strongly. The Internet is not very forgiving, and I guess I would interpret someone posting something like that to mean that they know how important a reputation is, and they also probably know of situations where opinions have turned into slander, that's all. I guess if I was going to do business with a breeder I would be much more concerned about how THEY handled themselves as professionals and their breeding program and the pups. That's just me; others may look for other things.

I think if you look hard enough you can find something to justify your reasoning to do business with or not do business with someone and at the end of the day it's a gut feeling.

Good thing there are so many breeders, right? Enough to go around for sure.
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i mentioned this on another thread. While it may be legally correct that you can be sued for making certain kinds of statements, there is absolutely no way that i would choose to do business with a firm or an individual that tells people that they might want to litigate. I definitely think it sounds like there have been problems. Big red flag. I think they have some fabulous info on their site, but there is no way under the sun that would i do business with anyone who has a warning like that on their web site. I have never seen this kind of warning on any other breeder's web site.
ditto!!!!
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... I guess if I was going to do business with a breeder I would be much more concerned about how THEY handled themselves as professionals and their breeding program and the pups. That's just me; others may look for other things.
Just to be clear, I think that the choice to have the above-mentioned text at the bottom of their home page IS evidence of how they handle themselves as professionals. You make a good point about how disgruntled customers can say negative things that may or may not be true, and this can be a concern for many businesses. But most businesses choose to manage their reputation without threats of litigation on their home page. Of course, this is not the whole picture, and I have no opinion about this breeder with regard other important factors such as the quality of their breeding program and their dogs. Glad to hear that some PF members are happy with their dogs.

Anyway, it is a red flag for me and not for you. As you said:

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Good thing there are so many breeders, right? Enough to go around for sure.
Agreed!

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And as for me ... from postings on this forum I know where I will NOT look for my next poodle. I really don't like to think that it is necessary to drag out every fault of your "competition" to make yourself look or feel better. The nastiest things were said by neighbours of this breeder.
Kinda makes me feel sick to the stomach :(

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And as for me ... from postings on this forum I know where I will NOT look for my next poodle. I really don't like to think that it is necessary to drag out every fault of your "competition" to make yourself look or feel better. The nastiest things were said by neighbours of this breeder.
Kinda makes me feel sick to the stomach :(

And THAT is your prerogative. What neighbours are on this forum who said nasty things about this breeder? None that I have seen, primarily because nobody said anything NASTY. People have spoken TRUTH. What kind of a world do we live in when truth is such a hard thing for people to hear?

I myself have not said anything unkind about this breeder, but have pointed out the issues I have heard for four years (and this past month has been a nightmare) in dogs I know of and one I owned, who have backgrounds akin to your breeder's. I told you in a PM, I have nothing against Bijou personally. I do however take issue with any breeder who in 40 years has not done a scrap of health testing on a single breeding dog, breed females at nine months of age, breed every heat thereafter until they are done with a dog, and have managed to slip under the radar for so long. Yes, they produce great colour, but at what cost? And this is not Bijou, but the kennel who owns a lot of the dogs behind most of their breeding dogs.

I think a lot of the animosity against your breeder on this forum began a few years ago, when she herself came here under a phony account, pretending to be a happy, satisfied customer, spending an awful lot of time singing the praises of HERSELF!!!!! This was uncovered and announced by the man who owned the forum at the time and she received a lifetime ban. This can be confirmed by the current administrator and/or moderator. This left a lot of us who have been here since then with a very bad taste in our mouths, and left us wondering....
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