Luvmyspoos

Good grief... Cale is 27 inches or a hair below and is only a year!!... I really don't expect him to get taller, he's already taller than both his parents... he just needs (read really needs) to fill out lol.

catsaqqara

Do toys minis and standards have different common ailments particular to their line, meaning OT still being toy through lineage.

And if a toy breeder has a really nice OT, do they place that dog as a pet or show them as a mini?

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outwest

They wouldn't show them AKC as a mini because they would have registered the litter as toys. The nice OT would be some pet homes lucky find probably. Breeders generally register the litter when born.

There are a lot of minis that are bred to toys and registered as minis because you get more puppies from a miniature female than you do a toy female. No reputable toy or mini breeder would do that, but it is done all the time. Unfortunately, when toys became popular, people registered those litters as toys and about half the pups ended up mini size. Since the difference in size between a mini and a standard is so great, it is not done without a good reason, and there aren't many good reasons to do it.

Yes, there are different diseases specific to the different sizes. The standards don't have nearly the drippy eye issues the smaller dogs have, for example. There are a few tests recommended for the mini/toy that aren't for the standards.

PaddleAddict

I am no expert, but from what I understand, you theoretically COULD show an oversized toy as a mini in the ring, however, an oversized toy (say 11 or 12 inches) is not likely to do well in the ring with minis, so most people wouldn't do this. If I am wrong, I hope that a show breeder will be able to pop in to correct me.

That said... toys, minis and standards are supposed to be identical other than size. They all have the same breed standard. But, in reality, the three varieties are NOT all identical but for size. In addition to some of the physical differences, there are temperament differences as well. So an oversized toy from toy lines really looks like a toy, not a small mini. And an oversized mini from mini lines really looks like a mini, not a small standard. in general, of course.

And yes, the different varieties have different health issues. This is one of the biggest reasons I really dislike interbreeding the varieties. Minis and toys are FAR healthier than the standards. There are certain diseases that occur in standards that do not occur in the minis and toys.

Now that there is a genetic test for PRA, I think the biggest thing you need to worry about in minis and toys is LCP and luxating patellas (which is not life threatening and often not very dibilitating in these smaller dogs).

In standards you really have to worry more about HD, Addison's, bloat, SA... far more serious in my opinion. One of the reasons I chose the mini (among other reasons) is they are healthier and tend to live longer than standards.

Ladyscarletthawk

My understanding for AKC is if you breed a toy and a mini you have to decide.. guesstimate what variety the pups will turn out to be, because you cant change the variety after they are registered. I competed againts a min/toy breeding in AKC with my mini. It was a beautiful small "mini" maybe 11.5 to 12.5 " tall in the puppy classes.. Everything about this dog SCREAMED toy poodle.. Movement, temperment, and conformation.. altho a nice one. My mini took the variety that day, but he was considerably smaller looking, and all the minis there where well within size 13- 14".
I agree with what Paddle and outwest already stated.

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