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louise · 01-01-2012, 08:46 AM

I'm looking for a new puppy and wondering about CHIC numbers. I have read that every dog from a reputable breeder should have one. It means they've had all of the necessary health tests. For one breeder I'm considering, the sire has a CHIC number, but the dam does not, even though she is a champion. Is that a warning sign ? Should I be concerned ? Would appreciate anyone's opinions on this. Thanks.

ArreauStandardPoodle · 01-01-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by louise

I'm looking for a new puppy and wondering about CHIC numbers. I have read that every dog from a reputable breeder should have one. It means they've had all of the necessary health tests. For one breeder I'm considering, the sire has a CHIC number, but the dam does not, even though she is a champion. Is that a warning sign ? Should I be concerned ? Would appreciate anyone's opinions on this. Thanks.

There are specific tests recommended by the breed clubs that need to be done to acquire a CHIC number. Our girls will all have CHIC numbers, but not all the boys we use will. Their hips and eyes will be done for certain, but I can tell you from what I have been reading on forums on the internet, there are a LOT OF breeders who do not and will not test for sebaceous adenitis, and it is one of the recommended tests. We research pedigrees of the males we use to see if there are any reported cases, and if so, how far back. If we see testing but no reported cases, we feel somewhat secure. A lot of the dogs in Europe that we are considering will only have hips and eyes done, with only hips and eyes done behind them because that is all they are required to do there.

Please keep in mind that because a dog is a champion or from "champion lines" does not mean it or its lines are healthy. Some of the scariest dogs I have seen personally were some of the big name dogs everyone raves about, But hey...they are gorgeous, and for some people, THAT is the end all and be all.

Here are the breed club recommended tests necessary to acquire a CHIC number:
http://www.caninehealthinfo.org/brdr...20&variety=STD

Keithsomething · 01-01-2012, 02:47 PM

I personally do not feel that the CHIC number is necessarily conclusive...only because if you read the website you ONLY have to have Hips, Eyes, and then just 1 of the other ones...it isn't required to have all of the tests they list.

It's my personal belief that the dog should be tested up and beyond what the CHIC requires

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CHIC Requirements
Hip Dysplasia

OFA Evaluation - OR
OVC Evaluation - OR
PennHIP Evaluation

Eye Clearance

CERF Evaluation

Health Elective (One of the following tests)

OFA Thyroid evaluation from an approved laboratory
OFA SA Evaluation from an approved dermapathologist
SA GDC evaluation
OFA Cardiac Evaluation

I feel they should have all of those tests...

so, make sure the parents of your puppy has been tested for Hips, Cerf'd, Thyroid panel, kidney panel, DM, VwD, (last 2 unless cleared by parentage), JRD (relatively new), NE, Cardiac screening...though I feel like I'm forgetting one.

When my bitch is bred she will be tested for all of these, and any male she is bred to will be required to have them all or they won't be considered.

CharismaticMillie · 01-01-2012, 03:47 PM

I would not worry too much about a CHIC number. I would instead look at the specific tests that were completed. There are tests that I think are important that are not even required for a CHIC number. On the other hand, many who have done more tests than CHIC requires simply have not done the work to get the number.

partial2poodles · 01-01-2012, 05:41 PM

I have had fully tested dogs that are spazzos and untested dogs that are the greatest and healthiest of all of them. I feel much of it is a moneymaking thing. Who's to say I couldn't start my own health registry. You send me money and I send you an A+ rating score. I love MY dogs, I did the research &close I am 100% satisfied with my dogs health and pedigrees

louise · 01-01-2012, 06:25 PM

Yes, this whole thing is very confusing. I had two wonderful standards without any research or testing. I guess I was lucky or they are all wonderful. I may be trying to be too careful in choosing our next one.

ArreauStandardPoodle · 01-02-2012, 05:03 AM

I do not think you can be too careful, but do believe we can get lucky sometimes. Health testing of the parents does not in any way guarantee healthy puppies, but it sure helps stack the deck in your favour,

Keith...the JRD test is relatively new and is not being endorsed by OFA yet. This test has produced a TON of positives. Until they work out the kinks and the OFA endorses it, we will not be using it.

ArreauStandardPoodle · 01-02-2012, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Keithsomething

I personally do not feel that the CHIC number is necessarily conclusive...only because if you read the website you ONLY have to have Hips, Eyes, and then just 1 of the other ones...it isn't required to have all of the tests they list.

It's my personal belief that the dog should be tested up and beyond what the CHIC requires

I feel they should have all of those tests...

so, make sure the parents of your puppy has been tested for Hips, Cerf'd, Thyroid panel, kidney panel, DM, VwD, (last 2 unless cleared by parentage), JRD (relatively new), NE, Cardiac screening...though I feel like I'm forgetting one.

When my bitch is bred she will be tested for all of these, and any male she is bred to will be required to have them all or they won't be considered.

Sebaceous adenitis???

Apres Argent · 01-02-2012, 05:37 AM

Cheri, JRD test is listed on the OFA site and results
are also posted.

ArreauStandardPoodle · 01-02-2012, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Apres Argent

Cheri, JRD test is listed on the OFA site and results
are also posted.

We have called them several times and they told us while they post results, they are not sure the test is accurate and they do not endorse it. I know it looks like they do, but when speaking to humans there it is clear they do not. We'd love to do it, if we did not feel it is a waste of time and money.