Keithsomething

SA...see I knew I was forgetting something xDD

I know the JRD test is relatively new (And a bit controversial because of its newness ), but I personally would like to cover all the bases. I don't hold it against anyone that doesn't do it though, because I understand the hesitancy behind not wanting to get a false positive (Something I've heard from a few people =\)

There are several different health registries...but I'm not sure I understand what you're saying P2P
I feel health testing is the LEAST that a poodle breeder should be doing, especially in standards! Knowing a pedigree helps in wondering what is lurking behind it, speaking to the breeders and owners of that line...but one should always health test breeding stock no matter what

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CharismaticMillie

I really like to see cardio on stud dogs, too. Rarely see them on bitches.

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ArreauStandardPoodle

I will happily to the JRD test once OFA tells me I should. We do every other test, so obviously we don't mind doing them, and do encourage other breeders to do the amount of testing we do.

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partial2poodles

I have gone thru the process of testing 2 of my bitches so I am not against them at all but lately I have been questioning some things....I question some peoples ethics and nwhether they are so motivated by greed. Someone sent me a link to this website and I spent so much time looking at it. Some of my friends said its a bunch of phooey. So if you look at it it, please don't assume I believe everything on there but some of the information just makes we go hmmmm. So here is the site CANINE GENETICS INDEX: 60 TOP BREEDER-VETS SHARE GENETICS INFORMATION & INSIGHT

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outwest

Please know that just because a dog is from champion lines does not mean the dogs are healthy. My last spoo was from show lines and she had endless health issues. If you can find a puppy from two CHIC parents it would be better. Having one CHIC parent is better than most. Ask for the pedigree of the sire and go on line to check for any reported health issues in the line. No line is going to be perfect and there is never a guarantee, but I chose to go with two CHIC parents to hedge my bets.

It isn't important to many people to get those CHIC numbers. It all depends on what you feel is important. To me, I wanted to try and get as healthy a poodle as I could to hopefully avoid the issues I had with my last one (allergies, hip dysplasia, poor eyes, digestive issues). I haven't regreted it, but I wouldn't totally discount a litter with only one CHIC parent, either.

I actually think a breeder who goes above the minimum requirements for testing is even better. It isn't that hard to get a CHIC number. Have you asked why the sire doesn't have one?

Rayah-QualitySPs

Hi Keithsomething;

You are missing SA.

In my opinion, breeders should do Free T4 (FT4), Canine thyroid simulating hormone (cTSH) and Thyroglobulin Autoantibodies (TgAA) at a certified OFA lab rather than a thyroid panel.

The term thyroid panel has many different meanings - it may include some thyroid tests but not include the ones above which provide the best test for thyroid disease.

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gr8pdls

A CHIC number means the breeder checked a box on the OFA application to allow the publication of the results regardless of outcome - good or bad. It means the breeder cares enough about the breed to put it above their own breeding program. Having the "bad" information available to other breeders is more important to the overall health of the breed. I think the breeder that has CHIC animals have higher ethical standards.

I don't know how anyone can deride the CHIC - which stands for Canine Health Information Center. Its a very reputable and well respected organization supported by many parent breed clubs. In fact it is the breed parent club that determines which tests are necessary.

Any breeder that skips the health testing or dismisses the value of having legitimate health registries is either uncaring or uninformed about their breeds health issues. They are probably trying to save money by not performing these expensive tests.

louise

Thanks to all who chimed in to help answer my question. I now have a new puppy with two CHIC tested parents. We've had her two weeks today and really enjoying getting to know her. All is well in our home with new joy. Thanks everyone.